450SE

[neo1234]

Hi,
is 450 SE fly like 450 V2 so I can train on it?
thanks

[TK5028]

Not sure about the SE, I have a SA. I do have flybar weights on mine. The Rex in Phoenix seemed real twitchy. I went into edit and noticed they have -25% expo, I changed it to 0 and it flew a lot tamer.

[Slyster]

yes.. change their expo to 0 in edit model. Then put +10 expo on your radio (as you should do in real life if you do in the radio on the sim)... slow the tail down a bit in edit model too

[DominicD]

Depends on your setup .... the 450se on the sim is mind numbing slow compared to my bird.

[Slyster]

LOL!! The stock Phoenix 450's are SO fast compared to my real 450! Shows the limitations of a sim... or really the flexibility... and also the variability of both. One must really fly the sim and the real deal both.. and adjust BOTH to taste.. and to match.

[tyrick69]

Originally Posted by Slyster

yes.. change their expo to 0 in edit model. Then put +10 expo on your radio (as you should do in real life if you do in the radio on the sim)... slow the tail down a bit in edit model too

Not to disagree Sly but I think it's better to leave the expo in your radio at 0 and instead set expo in the sim. This way, you can set it differently for every model. If you set it in the radio, it will be the same for everything you fly in the sim.

[The Thorn]

Well, I think the 450 in phoenix is really tame when the expo is set to 0 in the sim settings. My 450 is just a little less tame. But it is all adjustable in this sim. If you more reactive heli, you just stiffen the rotor dampers (I don't know how it is called right now, because I am on anoher system). I know it has big effect on the reaction, and not the rotationspeed.

I also feel like the rotationspeed of the rotor has very little effect on all the aspects of the flying model. Only when the rotationspeed is below 2000, it gets a bit of difference. I feel a much bigger difference in the reactions of my 450 when I run it on 100% throtle, as when I am running it at around 70%. I am sure my 450 has a higher headspeed then 200rpm at 70% throttle in a hover.

If the phoenix model of the 450 feels like the real one? Well, it depends on your setup. The people of phoenix can't take every different setup (electronic and mechanic) in account in the flight model, because there are almost countless combinations. It is better to set the simulator to somewhat the same as your own heli. I hi nk phoenix made a very nice base to do that, and in a not too difficult way.

[Slyster]

I hear ya.. but it's ok since I used +8 expo in real life on both the 450 and 500. But I'll remember that when I need to dial one down.