Best motor.

xcraftllc · 03-24-2009, 11:14 AM

What in your honest opinion would be the best motor for a 450 sized heli with 350mm blades?

I fly with a scorpion now but am concerned with the motors bearing quality.
Neu motors are supposed to be extremely efficient and come with better bearings.

Xera motors is a new company I've never hear of before until recently. I don't know much about them besides the fact that they're expensive.
http://www.xeramotors.com/

povern · 03-24-2009, 04:52 PM

Don't worry about bearing quality on your scorp.

Just make sure you oil them every few flights, and if needed replace them....

I know of two local guys that have gone from NUE to Scorpion motors because the Nue bearings kept going out.

povern

gravydrive · 03-24-2009, 07:00 PM

X-era motors are expensive because they are for 500-700mm size helis. They don't make small motors at this time.

02deuce · 03-24-2009, 09:21 PM

I went from Scorpion to Neu and back to Scorpion and never looked back. If you fly in a dusty environment it doesn't make a difference what motor you have your going to have bearing issues. Try changing bearings in a Nue or Align motor it can be done but its a pain. You can change set of bearing in a Scorpion motor in 10 minutes or less.

xcraftllc · 03-24-2009, 09:42 PM

You're right gravydrive, my bad. What's the best an easiest way to change the bearing, E.G., am I going to need a press or a solvent to get the old one out?

s0laris · 03-24-2009, 11:28 PM

wow you guys must really be in a dusty area.. I have over 200 flights on my Neu and it is still awesome awesome!

Lota Fun R · 03-25-2009, 02:22 AM

I"m surprised this hasn't gotten crazy yet!

It all depends on what you want, how you fly now and how you plan to fly later on when you improve, etc, etc, etc,...............

Are Scorpion motors good? Yes they are.

IMO Scorpion offers the best bang for your buck, as much power as anyone and lighter than some other higher dollar motors.

My buddy's 450 has a NEU motor and mine has a Scorpion motor, I'm not sure who has more power or what but he told me his is 22 grams(aprox) heavier than mine. If there's a power difference it's hard to tell.

I have at least 150 flights on my -8 Scorp motor and it's just as strong as ever and on original bearings, never really worried about the bearings. Hmmmm?......

Helipsyko · 03-25-2009, 06:38 AM

I also had a NEU and changed to Scorpion -8, the -8 is brutal on 4s.
NEU motors are a work of art, but I don't see any reason to buy the NEU when the -8 cost 1/2 and gives more power and is easy to keep in shape.
Flighttime is 30s difference on 4s, but the power in -8, OMG

02deuce · 03-25-2009, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0laris

wow you guys must really be in a dusty area.. I have over 200 flights on my Neu and it is still awesome awesome!

I have seen alot of videos of guys flying in dirt lots and fields which will cause premature bearing failure on any motor. Since bearings/shafts are really the motors only consumable item, Scorpion makes their motors are very easy to work on compared to other brands.
I switched from Nue to Scorpion for three reasons 1. More power 2. Ease of maintenance and parts availability. 3 $$$ bang for the Buck.
I don't believe bearings are an issue with the Scorpion motors any more. I have well over 150 flights on my -6 motors with no failures.
Nue motors are very good motors and they are very efficient. It all boils down to personal preferance.

markleyland · 03-25-2009, 07:08 AM

I love my NEU which goes hand in hand with my Jazz. No bogging at all on 4s, just keeps a constant head speed during loops, rolls, flips (all I can do at present) and flies beautifully during ff flight. I am curious about the scorpoin -8 but see no reason to change for a while at least. The NEU may be heavier but I don't notice any difference from changing from the Align XL, other than it's a lot quieter, and the Batts come down very cool after 7mins of flight on 10t pinion. Expensive, but worth it!

TomRex · 03-25-2009, 07:23 AM

The Neu/Jazz cannot be beat for the power and efficiency produced
Sorry to those guys that love to cook their systems

markleyland · 03-25-2009, 07:32 AM

True, never really saw it's true potential until I changed the motor, something to do with low poles. Which has nothing at all to do with the limbo, although you might have to bend over backwards to buy one.

02deuce · 03-25-2009, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomRex

The Neu/Jazz cannot be beat for the power and efficiency produced
Sorry to those guys that love to cook their systems

?????
Scorpion -8 on 4S has alot not just a little but allot more power than the 1107 2Y on 4S. Motor, Jazz ESC and Packs run super cool at 3050 RPM with 5.5 minutes of pure power. No hot components on this setup.
See Attached FDR

Helipsyko · 03-25-2009, 08:08 AM

No question that NEU are great motors, I just bought a 1915H/1Y for my 600

+1 on 02deuce

xcraftllc · 03-25-2009, 09:13 AM

Hmm, it's really the efficiency of the Neu motors that intrigues me, it still seems that Scorpion is the best bang for the buck though.
What are some tips and tricks to changing the Scorpion bearing easily?

s0laris · 03-25-2009, 09:49 AM

I think you save more $$ with neu because they are much easie on packs. They never get hot. Always just warm. That I am sure saves money in the long run

02deuce · 03-25-2009, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcraftllc

Hmm, it's really the efficiency of the Neu motors that intrigues me, it still seems that Scorpion is the best bang for the buck though.
What are some tips and tricks to changing the Scorpion bearing easily?

Remove the C clip slide the case off taps the exposed bearings out install new bearings reverse the above process. 10 Minutes.

02deuce · 03-25-2009, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0laris

I think you save more $$ with neu because they are much easie on packs. They never get hot. Always just warm. That I am sure saves money in the long run

What are the temps of your packs?
My Outrage Packs with the Scorpion Motor come down at 95-105 degrees which I consider pretty cool when the ambient temp is 78 degrees.
I don't think the Nue motor flys any cooler, but I will fly my retired 450 v2 on 3S with the 1107 2Y this weekend and Temp the motor ESC and packs and post the results.

TomRex · 03-25-2009, 06:32 PM

Markley and I are talking 1800 25c 4s Outrage. I forget what he's running but I'm on an 11t @ 3450 rpm and getting the same results as your 3s system 02, thats with zero bog, pure friggin grunt!

02deuce · 03-25-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomRex

Markley and I are talking 1800 25c 4s Outrage. I forget what he's running but I'm on an 11t @ 3450 rpm and getting the same results as your 3s system 02, thats with zero bog, pure friggin grunt!

LOL I'm talking 4S and the 1107 is not even close to the -8 on 4S. Heck I was getting bog at 3000 rpm on a T10 Setup. Show me the FDR's!!! here is mine for both the Nue and the -8 http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=103559&page=2
The proof is in the puddin. Its efficient but its not a the power house the -8 is.

03-24-2009, 11:14 AM	#1
xcraftllc Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belton TX	Best motor. What in your honest opinion would be the best motor for a 450 sized heli with 350mm blades? I fly with a scorpion now but am concerned with the motors bearing quality. Neu motors are supposed to be extremely efficient and come with better bearings. Xera motors is a new company I've never hear of before until recently. I don't know much about them besides the fact that they're expensive. http://www.xeramotors.com/

03-24-2009, 04:52 PM	#2
povern Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Little Falls, MN	Don't worry about bearing quality on your scorp. Just make sure you oil them every few flights, and if needed replace them.... I know of two local guys that have gone from NUE to Scorpion motors because the Nue bearings kept going out. povern __________________ Screw It, I'm gonna fly. Logo 6003d and 600se: BLS all around, Pyro and HeliJive

03-24-2009, 09:21 PM	#4
02deuce Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas	I went from Scorpion to Neu and back to Scorpion and never looked back. If you fly in a dusty environment it doesn't make a difference what motor you have your going to have bearing issues. Try changing bearings in a Nue or Align motor it can be done but its a pain. You can change set of bearing in a Scorpion motor in 10 minutes or less. __________________ Trex 700N, 700E, 600E, 500E all Vbar 5.2 Pro FBL Dji F550 WKM Data Link 900MHZ DJI F450 Naza/GPS FPV 5.8 vtx TBS Disco w Core Naza GPS FPV 1.2 vtx MT Tiger motors

03-24-2009, 11:28 PM	#6
s0laris Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: canada	wow you guys must really be in a dusty area.. I have over 200 flights on my Neu and it is still awesome awesome! __________________ Outrage 550, Goblin 630, 700, warp 360, Dual BL Mcpx, 130x When you start to be in complete control reflexes are not a requirement.

03-25-2009, 02:22 AM	#7
Lota Fun R Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: sunny & 70	I"m surprised this hasn't gotten crazy yet! It all depends on what you want, how you fly now and how you plan to fly later on when you improve, etc, etc, etc,............... Are Scorpion motors good? Yes they are. IMO Scorpion offers the best bang for your buck, as much power as anyone and lighter than some other higher dollar motors. My buddy's 450 has a NEU motor and mine has a Scorpion motor, I'm not sure who has more power or what but he told me his is 22 grams(aprox) heavier than mine. If there's a power difference it's hard to tell. I have at least 150 flights on my -8 Scorp motor and it's just as strong as ever and on original bearings, never really worried about the bearings. Hmmmm?...... __________________ ...Fun, Learning, Friendship and mutual Respect.

03-24-2009, 07:00 PM	#3
gravydrive Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Jacksonville, FL	X-era motors are expensive because they are for 500-700mm size helis. They don't make small motors at this time.

03-24-2009, 09:42 PM	#5
xcraftllc Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belton TX	You're right gravydrive, my bad. What's the best an easiest way to change the bearing, E.G., am I going to need a press or a solvent to get the old one out?

03-25-2009, 06:38 AM	#8
Helipsyko Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway	I also had a NEU and changed to Scorpion -8, the -8 is brutal on 4s. NEU motors are a work of art, but I don't see any reason to buy the NEU when the -8 cost 1/2 and gives more power and is easy to keep in shape. Flighttime is 30s difference on 4s, but the power in -8, OMG __________________ Trex 450 Pro Stretch Neu Scorp 1630, 8s, CC30HV. Mini V Trex 700 DFC V-bar

03-25-2009, 07:08 AM	#10
markleyland Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colchester, UK	I love my NEU which goes hand in hand with my Jazz. No bogging at all on 4s, just keeps a constant head speed during loops, rolls, flips (all I can do at present) and flies beautifully during ff flight. I am curious about the scorpoin -8 but see no reason to change for a while at least. The NEU may be heavier but I don't notice any difference from changing from the Align XL, other than it's a lot quieter, and the Batts come down very cool after 7mins of flight on 10t pinion. Expensive, but worth it! __________________ "Sort your head out and fly with your heart" Trex 450 SE V2: 9257 tail, Spartan Quark, HS65mg cyclic, DX7-AR7000, NEU 1107h/2y, Jazz Esc, Trex 550 FBL: Jive 100+LV, KDE/NEU 1907H/1/N42, Vbar 5.3, Futaba BLS 251

03-25-2009, 07:23 AM	#11
TomRex Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2006 Location: WPB Florida	The Neu/Jazz cannot be beat for the power and efficiency produced Sorry to those guys that love to cook their systems __________________ How much past 200 mph do I need to go you ask?

03-25-2009, 07:32 AM	#12
markleyland Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colchester, UK	True, never really saw it's true potential until I changed the motor, something to do with low poles. Which has nothing at all to do with the limbo, although you might have to bend over backwards to buy one. __________________ "Sort your head out and fly with your heart" Trex 450 SE V2: 9257 tail, Spartan Quark, HS65mg cyclic, DX7-AR7000, NEU 1107h/2y, Jazz Esc, Trex 550 FBL: Jive 100+LV, KDE/NEU 1907H/1/N42, Vbar 5.3, Futaba BLS 251

03-25-2009, 08:08 AM	#14
Helipsyko Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway	No question that NEU are great motors, I just bought a 1915H/1Y for my 600 +1 on 02deuce __________________ Trex 450 Pro Stretch Neu Scorp 1630, 8s, CC30HV. Mini V Trex 700 DFC V-bar

03-25-2009, 09:13 AM	#15
xcraftllc Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belton TX	Hmm, it's really the efficiency of the Neu motors that intrigues me, it still seems that Scorpion is the best bang for the buck though. What are some tips and tricks to changing the Scorpion bearing easily?

03-25-2009, 09:49 AM	#16
s0laris Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: canada	I think you save more $$ with neu because they are much easie on packs. They never get hot. Always just warm. That I am sure saves money in the long run __________________ Outrage 550, Goblin 630, 700, warp 360, Dual BL Mcpx, 130x When you start to be in complete control reflexes are not a requirement.

03-25-2009, 06:32 PM	#19
TomRex Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2006 Location: WPB Florida	Markley and I are talking 1800 25c 4s Outrage. I forget what he's running but I'm on an 11t @ 3450 rpm and getting the same results as your 3s system 02, thats with zero bog, pure friggin grunt! __________________ How much past 200 mph do I need to go you ask?

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