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Old 10-01-2009, 12:02 PM   #1
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Default Will FBL system help with nose forward flight?

I am a newbie to helis, and after about 1 month I can fly with the tail pointed any direction, except away from me(nose towards me). I want to get the flybarless system and just curious if this will help me learn basic flight faster...(short of getting a simulator)

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Old 10-01-2009, 02:22 PM   #2
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IMHO, no it will not. At this point I would save the $$ you would spend on a FBL system a simulator and crash parts.
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Old 10-02-2009, 09:36 AM   #3
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How big is your heli?
I do not think a FBL system will help you learn nose-in. A simulator is much better for that purpose.
Perhaps you are thinking of flight stabilization (like Gyrobot900's beginner mode, or Helicommand and other auto-levelling electronics). These may help... but is just an expensive way to go...
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For learning how to fly, a sim will teach you sooo much more than a FBL/stabilization system ever will. I'm a big believer in FBL systems but I don't think they are where a new flyer should be looking to for learning how to fly IMO.
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Old 10-31-2009, 11:25 AM   #5
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You still have to fly the thing flybarless just make the heli fly better
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Old 10-31-2009, 05:41 PM   #6
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I am a newbie to helis, and after about 1 month I can fly with the tail pointed any direction, except away from me(nose towards me). I want to get the flybarless system and just curious if this will help me learn basic flight faster...(short of getting a simulator)
I find a fbl heli to be easier to fly. It's more like flying on rails. But you still got to fly it. A simulator is gold. A free one like FMS or Helisim will help a lot. A USB-cable can be bought for 10$.
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I flew my friends 450Pro FBL yesterday... besides being SUPER stable and tracked like on RAILS (!)... it was no 'easier' to fly at all. Even a bit twitchier.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:46 PM   #8
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I agree with above posts that a simulator is best and cheapest to learn orientation and hover in. Even though you need to shell out a little for a good sim you will spend far less on repairs and more time actually learning and flying.

FBL per se will not help an lot. You can make a a good FBL unit very stable, resistant to wind and outside influences but you still have to fly and if you give the wrong stick input - the most common mistake when learning orientation - you will crash. Something like the Flymentor or Helicomand can help in this respect as these systems self right but again a sim is cheaper and you will learn much faster because you will not be afraid and will not need to rebuild every crash.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:58 PM   #9
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Yep - forget flybarless for the moment...

Wow - learning nose-in after a month is a mean feat.. I didn;t learn that for 1.5yrs.. but then I'm an old fart!

When you say you can fly in all directions - does that include HOVERING ? If you can hover forward, 45 and 90 degrees left an right then you are indeed ready for nose -in. If you just fly those directions, then keep learning the hovering first.

As others have stated, get a sim to practice on for even a few hours to get used to nose-in. Then hover at height and perform quick 180 degree piros and try to balance nose-in for 1 second, then piro back to tail-in. Keep doing this and gradually pause nose-in longer and longer till you are hovering fine nose-in.
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