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Old 03-28-2010, 08:36 AM   #1
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Default Helicommand vs Flymentor vs CPll

I'm in the market for a new stabilization system. I'm sorry if this question has been asked to death. Please guide me to a thread if this is the case.

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Old 03-28-2010, 08:47 AM   #2
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Hi

Probably the question has been asked before but here is my 2c. BTW I have the Flymentor i bought for $115 Shipped and am very happy with its performance. Once setup properly it is very controllable and works well in position or balancing mode.

I think the only difference between the two apart from price is that HC provides the auto trim facility and the ability to setup via radio. I am sure or at least hope that you may get better components for that price. Also with HC you have to decide on 3A, 3D and Rigid for FBL.

At the end of the day it depends what you want it for and what suits you best.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:52 AM   #3
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I'm in the market for a new stabilization system. I'm sorry if this question has been asked to death. Please guide me to a thread if this is the case.

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To make it a bit more informative, it would help if you stated what type of flying you do, also what are you expecting from the flight system.

Budget, skill level these will all play a part in what you decide on.
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Old 03-28-2010, 09:09 AM   #4
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Thanks for the info so far.

I'm in learning mode at the moment so Level Flight is all I need right now. I will probably never do 3D because old dog don't learn new tricks but, I want to be able to do some basic aerobatics; i.e inverted flight, some loops etc.

About budget I'm willing to spend the $600 of the HC if it's worth it over the others.
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Old 03-28-2010, 09:15 AM   #5
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What size bird are you flying and what radio equipment do you own?
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Furion 450 and DX7se. My plan by the summer is going to a 500 size
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My suggestion to you would be,

If you have a wide open area in which to fly and decent to semi decent weather conditions the CPII would be your easiest to install and setup.
Though keep in mind the CPII can not be operated indoors


As to a Helicommand, yes they are that good. but can be a bit of a challenge to setup and dial in for a novice.
Though money well spent.

Flymentor, being an inexpensive clone of the Helicommand functions much in the same way, but lacks some of its features, and precision and can be somewhat troublesome to setup
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:26 AM   #8
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My suggestion to you would be,

If you have a wide open area in which to fly and decent to semi decent weather conditions the CPII would be your easiest to install and setup.
Though keep in mind the CPII can not be operated indoors


As to a Helicommand, yes they are that good. but can be a bit of a challenge to setup and dial in for a novice.
Though money well spent.

Flymentor, being an inexpensive clone of the Helicommand functions much in the same way, but lacks some of its features, and precision and can be somewhat troublesome to setup




This should be a stickie..Id say
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:32 AM   #9
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The best advantage both with HC & FM is that by the time you learn to set up and get it all up and running , with the help and experience of this forum of course, you will know every thing you need to about your heli and radio systems
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My suggestion to you would be,

If you have a wide open area in which to fly and decent to semi decent weather conditions the CPII would be your easiest to install and setup.
Though keep in mind the CPII can not be operated indoors


As to a Helicommand, yes they are that good. but can be a bit of a challenge to setup and dial in for a novice.
Though money well spent.

Flymentor, being an inexpensive clone of the Helicommand functions much in the same way, but lacks some of its features, and precision and can be somewhat troublesome to setup
How big of a challenge would you say it's the HC to setup? I'm no geek but I managed to setup all my heli and TX settings with much reading, videos and guessing... but with no help. Including the CPll (but I consider the CPll to be a really easy and straightforward install.

On top of that I see that this forum is very active and you folks are very helpful and friendly

About the weather and open spaces... I just came back from my second CPll flight and had a crash landing. Conditions were minimal - overcast and 10F differential - I started OK but got close to a wall of high trees and the bird started to act-up and nose dived to the ground; I could save that one but got out of the maneuver with little control over the heli that rapidly climbed to about 100 feet and started an uncontrolled dive . I am not combat ready yet so I failed to switch off the CPll/TC and just watched how it smashed into a big bush. I was very lucky because damage was minimum. I'm not blaming the CPll but since I plan to purchase another stab system I want to checkout my options
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Well there are a few nuts to crack here. firstly connecting the channels and servo in the 'correct' order which varies from heli to heli depending whether the elevator servo drives the rear or front of swash. Secondly setting the HC to move the swash in the correct direction for correction and thirdly that the Tx cyclic control is correct as well. Fourthly to have it all trimmed correctly and sort the TX mode switching control and lastly optimize the gains for best operation.

Sounds like a tall order, but if I managed to do it I am sure you could. Understanding the basics of CCPM mixing could be advantage if not by the end of it you will

Anyway what ever your choice, we are at your service
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Being the radio you have, and what can be programmed to function with it, it can and has been done. though it is not a fun time to do.

Concerning the CPII, did you try the new firmware update?
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Well there are a few nuts to crack here. firstly connecting the channels and servo in the 'correct' order which varies from heli to heli depending whether the elevator servo drives the rear or front of swash. Secondly setting the HC to move the swash in the correct direction for correction and thirdly that the Tx cyclic control is correct as well. Fourthly to have it all trimmed correctly and sort the TX mode switching control and lastly optimize the gains for best operation.

Sounds like a tall order, but if I managed to do it I am sure you could. Understanding the basics of CCPM mixing could be advantage if not by the end of it you will

Anyway what ever your choice, we are at your service
Thanks Pril! It does sound like a PITA but if we consider the try and error as a science than I might be able to do it.... I would have thought it was more plug 'n play ... we'll see
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Being the radio you have, and what can be programmed to function with it, it can and has been done. though it is not a fun time to do.

Concerning the CPII, did you try the new firmware update?
Whop, that sounds even more serious.... I'll do some more reading brfore I make a decision.

Firmware is up to date. I went to pick mine up to Frederick MD and there was Elena doing FM updates to all of the systems
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Whop, that sounds even more serious.... I'll do some more reading brfore I make a decision.

Firmware is up to date. I went to pick mine up to Frederick MD and there was Elena doing FM updates to all of the systems
Ummmmm what would your Rev. be on your CPII when you power up and read the programmer?
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Night, it says V1.7 when I turn it on. I think I saw firmware 1.4 somewhere also
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1.4 would be the Avionics firmware, it will read it when you power up the heli
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Pablo,

My suggestion would be to stick to one system and try to get the most of it. There are really many many variables that affect a helicopter performance, without taking in consideration stabilization systems, and switching between systems would mean a longer learning curve. I am sure what you like is just enjoy flying without crashing, and each flight trying a new manouver. Sticking to one system will make life easier with more time flying and less time adjusting and trimming.

And the more you fly the more you'll like it and enjoy it. That's my personal experience.
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Pablo,

My suggestion would be to stick to one system and try to get the most of it. There are really many many variables that affect a helicopter performance, without taking in consideration stabilization systems, and switching between systems would mean a longer learning curve. I am sure what you like is just enjoy flying without crashing, and each flight trying a new manouver. Sticking to one system will make life easier with more time flying and less time adjusting and trimming.

And the more you fly the more you'll like it and enjoy it. That's my personal experience.



:thumbu p: very well said +1
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Pablo,

My suggestion would be to stick to one system and try to get the most of it. There are really many many variables that affect a helicopter performance, without taking in consideration stabilization systems, and switching between systems would mean a longer learning curve. I am sure what you like is just enjoy flying without crashing, and each flight trying a new manouver. Sticking to one system will make life easier with more time flying and less time adjusting and trimming.

And the more you fly the more you'll like it and enjoy it. That's my personal experience.
That's a good piece of advice and moreover considering that the other choices have also their setbacks.

Today after the small crash I fixed the heli and went back to the field. It was very windy but I managed to fly 2 batteries and the CPll performed very well! I even did a LOOP!! I'm amazed since it's only my second day out to fly for real. (I did many hovering flights in my backyard)

About HC I've seen some videos that show an impressive level of stability. I don't know If I can trim CPll to be like that.. or even if I need so much. I'm using this device to allow for a hands-on simulator like experience with the hope that one day I will be able to fly without it, or at least having it as a panic button.
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