500 vs. 500 3G

Heechee · 07-17-2010, 03:00 PM

I've flown a 500 ESP 3G for a few months now, and a 500 ESP flybarred with GP780 for a few days. Both have relatively stock components, but 3G has a Kontronik Jive and the flybarred heli has a CC ICE 75. 2650 RPM both. 3300 mAh 6S 35C Hyperion batteries.

The differences that I observe first hand:
- 3G model is a bit more stable, somewhat more if there is wind.
- 3G model needs a bit less active flying.
- 3G model has 6:20 on the timer while the flybarred one has 5:90.
- 3G head has less parts.
- 3G costs more.

That's just about it. Not that different. Comments?

T/CHunter2009 · 07-17-2010, 03:08 PM

Is the price difference woth it. ?? That was my question when I bought the 500ESP w/ flybar. Back then it was around $200.00 more I think. Running a ICE75 now with a Scorpion 1600KV. Very happy with it. Couldn't imagine "more stable" . Maybe some day I'll get a 550 3G . Or should I upgrade my ESP ? Is it worth the Exta cost having to add it too a ESP Flybar ?? Now it would cost me over $300.

Tisondm · 07-17-2010, 06:30 PM

The biggest difference I've seen is the amount agility during 3D stunts. My FBL flips a lot faster with the same amount if cyclic pitch. FBL also seems to track(stay on course) much better during 3D.

I'm flying the Skookum 720 though. Not sure if the 3G performs the same.

legend_217 · 07-17-2010, 08:50 PM

Actually you can get a 500 3G system with blades for $340 shipped. It's even cheaper when I bought 450 pro 3g a while back

Elios000 · 07-17-2010, 08:55 PM

i like my 3G 500 very very stable only some drift with wind
other then that if you take your time and get the head setup well which is easyer
it will nearly hover hands off

joecass2 · 07-17-2010, 10:02 PM

Tisondm what head are you using?

Tisondm · 07-17-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by joecass2

Tisondm what head are you using?

Align 3G FBL Head. I figured it would be easier to get replacement parts for this head. It's working great with the SK720.

Heechee · 07-18-2010, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tisondm

The biggest difference I've seen is the amount agility during 3D stunts. My FBL flips a lot faster with the same amount if cyclic pitch. FBL also seems to track(stay on course) much better during 3D.

I'm flying the Skookum 720 though. Not sure if the 3G performs the same.

I'm not into real 3D yet, so I wouldn't know about that. So far I do non-inverted eights forwards and backwards, and inverted eights forwards, and some loops.

My 3G is still at version 1, but I'll update it when my USB link cable comes.. Should be very soon.

joecass2 · 07-18-2010, 10:03 AM

Tisondm were did you get just a head from

Tisondm · 07-18-2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecass2

Tisondm were did you get just a head from

Readyheli.com sells all the parts to make up the head. It's about $100 for everything.

joecass2 · 07-18-2010, 12:07 PM

what is the diffrence between the 3G and SK720. i would like to go flybarless but don't know what one to go with

Tisondm · 07-18-2010, 12:33 PM

SK 720 = Porsche
Vbar = Chevy
3G = Kia

Matt Nasca · 07-18-2010, 01:24 PM

Or you can get the RJX head ($44), EDGE FBL blades, plus the Mini V ($299) and have a kick azz setup!!!

joecass2 · 07-18-2010, 01:47 PM

do you need FBL blades to fly FBL?

Matt Nasca · 07-18-2010, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecass2

do you need FBL blades to fly FBL?

Nope, they aren't required. The FBL blades make the heli fly more stable. The non FBL blades are quicker making them twitchy. There is a huge difference in the way FBL vs Non FBL blades fly.

Slyster · 07-18-2010, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heechee

- 3G model has 6:20 on the timer while the flybarred one has 5:90.

Is your time in metric?

Heechee · 07-18-2010, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slyster

Is your time in metric?

5:50

jvthert · 07-18-2010, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadDuke

Or you can get the RJX head ($44), EDGE FBL blades, plus the Mini V ($299) and have a kick azz setup!!!

+100

Only I see no reason not to buy a regular Vbar. It isolates vibrations a lot better than the all in one design of the mini and 720. If you use a proper flybarless system you will convert your other helis as soon as you can

dl5973 · 07-19-2010, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tisondm

SK 720 = Porsche
Vbar = Chevy
3G = Kia

I dont know much about the SK 720 however my impression was that the Vbar was the top of the class when it comes to flybarles systems.

Chevy better than a porsche? LMAO!

oldschool269 · 07-19-2010, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tisondm

SK 720 = Porsche
Vbar = Chevy
3G = Kia

cant agree with that enough
jason

07-17-2010, 03:00 PM	#1
Heechee Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Helsinki	500 vs. 500 3G I've flown a 500 ESP 3G for a few months now, and a 500 ESP flybarred with GP780 for a few days. Both have relatively stock components, but 3G has a Kontronik Jive and the flybarred heli has a CC ICE 75. 2650 RPM both. 3300 mAh 6S 35C Hyperion batteries. The differences that I observe first hand: - 3G model is a bit more stable, somewhat more if there is wind. - 3G model needs a bit less active flying. - 3G model has 6:20 on the timer while the flybarred one has 5:90. - 3G head has less parts. - 3G costs more. That's just about it. Not that different. Comments? __________________ Two broken Trex 500 ESP helis, one unfinished Outrage Fusion 50, and one MSH mini protos in the mail. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-17-2010, 03:08 PM	#2
T/CHunter2009 Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Trumansburg New York	Is the price difference woth it. ?? That was my question when I bought the 500ESP w/ flybar. Back then it was around $200.00 more I think. Running a ICE75 now with a Scorpion 1600KV. Very happy with it. Couldn't imagine "more stable" . Maybe some day I'll get a 550 3G . Or should I upgrade my ESP ? Is it worth the Exta cost having to add it too a ESP Flybar ?? Now it would cost me over $300. __________________ Blade 130X : Bilnged out with Lynx & Microheli Metal ./ Batteries : Zippy Compact 500mAH / Glacier 450mAh /Eflight 300mAh iCharger 206B, P.S 350 power supply. Spin 8000kv motor.

07-17-2010, 06:30 PM	#3
Tisondm Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Central Florida	The biggest difference I've seen is the amount agility during 3D stunts. My FBL flips a lot faster with the same amount if cyclic pitch. FBL also seems to track(stay on course) much better during 3D. I'm flying the Skookum 720 though. Not sure if the 3G performs the same. __________________ JR X9503 TREX 500 ESP FBL, Skookum SK720, Scorpion 3026-1600, 14T CHP TREX 600 ESP FBL, SK720, 8S, Scorpion 4025-740, 13T, WR Bec TREX 700E FBL, SK720, 12S, Scorpion Comm 130A ESC & 4035-500 , 12T, WR Bec To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-17-2010, 08:55 PM	#5
Elios000 Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Springfield MO	i like my 3G 500 very very stable only some drift with wind other then that if you take your time and get the head setup well which is easyer it will nearly hover hands off __________________ DX8 mSR, T-rex 500ESP 3G, Compass 6HV Savox servos Vbar 5.3Pro Rail Blades AMA#948801

07-18-2010, 12:33 PM	#12
Tisondm Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Central Florida	SK 720 = Porsche Vbar = Chevy 3G = Kia __________________ JR X9503 TREX 500 ESP FBL, Skookum SK720, Scorpion 3026-1600, 14T CHP TREX 600 ESP FBL, SK720, 8S, Scorpion 4025-740, 13T, WR Bec TREX 700E FBL, SK720, 12S, Scorpion Comm 130A ESC & 4035-500 , 12T, WR Bec To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Tisondm; 07-18-2010 at 06:48 PM..

07-17-2010, 08:50 PM	#4
legend_217 Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: OC	Actually you can get a 500 3G system with blades for $340 shipped. It's even cheaper when I bought 450 pro 3g a while back

07-17-2010, 10:02 PM	#6
joecass2 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wayne NJ	Tisondm what head are you using?

07-18-2010, 10:03 AM	#9
joecass2 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wayne NJ	Tisondm were did you get just a head from

07-18-2010, 12:07 PM	#11
joecass2 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wayne NJ	what is the diffrence between the 3G and SK720. i would like to go flybarless but don't know what one to go with

07-18-2010, 01:24 PM	#13
Matt Nasca Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cottage Grove, MN	Or you can get the RJX head ($44), EDGE FBL blades, plus the Mini V ($299) and have a kick azz setup!!! __________________ GAUI X7 - GAUI X5 - GAUI NX4 - GAUI X4 II - GAUI X2 (R.I.P.) - All on VBar 5.3 Pro GAUI USA / Scorpion Motors & ESC / Scorpion Competition Packs 65C+ / Spin Blades / YS Engines / VP PowerMaster

07-18-2010, 01:47 PM	#14
joecass2 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wayne NJ	do you need FBL blades to fly FBL?

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