JGF 500TH review for newbies, by a newbie

rcboosted · 01-20-2007, 10:19 PM

Ok, here's my newbie review on the JGF 500TH. First my set up:

JGF 500TH 12T
CC 35A esc 95% flat throttle curve no governor
DN Power 2150mah 15C lipo
STK Superframe V3 with align all metal head, Trueblood dampers, Tech-mp 325 wood blades

less relevent parts:
MicroHeli all meta tail
HS-65MG cyclic, GY401/HS65 tail

I did not need to shave or modify my STK frame to mount the motor, but I did have to undo the screws in the front to allow the motor in. It is wider than all the openings on the frame. Once it is in, there no fitment issues. Here are some pics of the motor and some comparison shots next to a 430L.

I used the exact same throttle curve as my 430L and the same pinion, blade etc etc for the JGF 500TH. The only thing I changed was the motor. Upon spool up, the motor seems to be quieter than my 4 months old 430L. As soon as it spooled up, I punched it. The climb felt just a bit quicker than the 430L, and it doesn't bog as much after a 5 seconds of climbing at full pitch (11 degree) if at all. Going through my usual routines of figure 8's and stick banging stall turns, the motor felt very smooth. It doesn't bog as much when I do stupid sharp 180 degree turns that normall would bog the Align motor to the point of the tail wagging trying to keep up. It felt like I can be more careless about not bogging it. Because even when I bog it down, the power returns right away. Just for comparison, I did try out high governor mode and I could not tell any difference.

Toward the end of the pack, I can feel the power is reduced, but not as much as the 430. Climb is still Pretty consistent throughout. If you're expecting to turn your 450 into a JATO heli, you won't find it. But it does have great power and stays mostly consistent throughout the whole flight. After running through 4 packs at 6 min each, the motor felt almost ambient. The esc is just warm, and my lipo packs are quite a bit cooler than when it was on the 430. I'm really impressed by how cool the motor stayed after 4 consecutive packs. The 430 would get quite hot after 4 consecutive flights.

Perhaps I can get more pop out of this motor if I have carbon blades and running 3k+ rpm. But this IS a newbie review, so no carbons here. Feel free to ask me any questions you guys might have about this, I will do my best to answer it. I will continue to update this thread as I put more stick time on this motor.

rcboosted · 01-21-2007, 07:25 PM

Looks like my pitch was a bit off, I was only at 9 degree pitch yesterday. I brought it up to 11+ today and the climb rate got quite a bit faster. The temperature of the pack of course rose a bit after the flight. But it is still cooler than when I had the 430 at 9 degree pitch. Motor is slightly warmer and the esc is the same.

littlepiston · 01-23-2007, 01:45 AM

what esc are you using ,, batterys?

hikscub · 01-23-2007, 09:59 AM

15c batts seems low. I read the 500 needs more amps.

BTW, how do you like that scale? I see it on ebay for $5 (+$12 shipping).

redgiki · 01-23-2007, 11:09 AM

hikscub: The amp draw of the 500TH is actually lower than that of an Align 3550 430L motor with the same pinion. My Eagle Tree says 22.8A for the JGF 500TH vs. 23.1A for the 430L on 11 teeth with 325 Pro Wood blades during punchout (10 degrees positive pitch, around 2400RPM in the cold).

I would take that with a grain of salt, however, as it's been several weeks since I measured my old 430L and the weather has gotten cooler, which almost certainly accounts for the amp difference.

Regardless, the JGF 500TH is a very comparable motor to the Align 430L for amp draw, but it has a LOT more torque. 15C batteries on 11 teeth with 325 Pro Wood blades work just fine.

rcboosted · 01-23-2007, 11:49 AM

I'm using Castle Creation Phoenix 35A esc as stated in my review. The battery I'm using is DN Power 15C as stated in the review as well. The JGF 500TH has plenty of power on the 15C battery. My original motor 430 is also using the same battery, so it's a good comparison. The motor is considerably cooler than the 430, and judging by the lower temperature of the battery after the flight, it draws less amperage with everything else being the same.

hikscub, the scale is ok, it is off by .1g sometimes. Sometimes it shows 10.1 sometimes 10.0 It uses coin battery, which is a pain to buy, so find something that use AAA.

littlepiston · 01-23-2007, 05:07 PM

what timing are you using on you esc it make a diffrence in power and head speed on my aon 3500

low timing it a real dog vary good flight time warm temp
med normal timing its good for loops same flying times prety wrm temps

high timinng hot motor vary powerfull les flight times 5min takes 1390 mah out of a 2100 tp prolight i fly this timing for 3d but would like more power

rcboosted · 01-23-2007, 07:18 PM

I was using mid timing on both motors.

littlepiston · 01-23-2007, 08:44 PM

if you can try it on high timing and see what the diffrence,, i would go to the other review but he is using a jazz esc,, and i dont have the grand to buy one of those ,, what are they in price ,,like 175.00??!?!?!

hikscub · 01-23-2007, 09:04 PM

rcboosted: Ok, thanks, I'll look for something else. But, the price is nice

On the batts I'm sure that a 15c is ok, especially with 11t. I imagine going to a 14t on the 500th would require something more than 15c.

I was flying a 450th on 13t and it was actually pretty tough on the Prolites and I wasn't super happy with the hs or power. I'm now using a Medusa 28-40-2500 on 4s, 11t. 9 min flight times with massive power.

But, Medusas are nice but expensive and heavy. The 500SH looks like it will be great on 4s.

01-20-2007, 10:19 PM	#1
rcboosted Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA	JGF 500TH review for newbies, by a newbie Ok, here's my newbie review on the JGF 500TH. First my set up: JGF 500TH 12T CC 35A esc 95% flat throttle curve no governor DN Power 2150mah 15C lipo STK Superframe V3 with align all metal head, Trueblood dampers, Tech-mp 325 wood blades less relevent parts: MicroHeli all meta tail HS-65MG cyclic, GY401/HS65 tail I did not need to shave or modify my STK frame to mount the motor, but I did have to undo the screws in the front to allow the motor in. It is wider than all the openings on the frame. Once it is in, there no fitment issues. Here are some pics of the motor and some comparison shots next to a 430L. I used the exact same throttle curve as my 430L and the same pinion, blade etc etc for the JGF 500TH. The only thing I changed was the motor. Upon spool up, the motor seems to be quieter than my 4 months old 430L. As soon as it spooled up, I punched it. The climb felt just a bit quicker than the 430L, and it doesn't bog as much after a 5 seconds of climbing at full pitch (11 degree) if at all. Going through my usual routines of figure 8's and stick banging stall turns, the motor felt very smooth. It doesn't bog as much when I do stupid sharp 180 degree turns that normall would bog the Align motor to the point of the tail wagging trying to keep up. It felt like I can be more careless about not bogging it. Because even when I bog it down, the power returns right away. Just for comparison, I did try out high governor mode and I could not tell any difference. Toward the end of the pack, I can feel the power is reduced, but not as much as the 430. Climb is still Pretty consistent throughout. If you're expecting to turn your 450 into a JATO heli, you won't find it. But it does have great power and stays mostly consistent throughout the whole flight. After running through 4 packs at 6 min each, the motor felt almost ambient. The esc is just warm, and my lipo packs are quite a bit cooler than when it was on the 430. I'm really impressed by how cool the motor stayed after 4 consecutive packs. The 430 would get quite hot after 4 consecutive flights. Perhaps I can get more pop out of this motor if I have carbon blades and running 3k+ rpm. But this IS a newbie review, so no carbons here. Feel free to ask me any questions you guys might have about this, I will do my best to answer it. I will continue to update this thread as I put more stick time on this motor.

01-23-2007, 11:09 AM	#5
redgiki Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Riverton, UT USA	hikscub: The amp draw of the 500TH is actually lower than that of an Align 3550 430L motor with the same pinion. My Eagle Tree says 22.8A for the JGF 500TH vs. 23.1A for the 430L on 11 teeth with 325 Pro Wood blades during punchout (10 degrees positive pitch, around 2400RPM in the cold). I would take that with a grain of salt, however, as it's been several weeks since I measured my old 430L and the weather has gotten cooler, which almost certainly accounts for the amp difference. Regardless, the JGF 500TH is a very comparable motor to the Align 430L for amp draw, but it has a LOT more torque. 15C batteries on 11 teeth with 325 Pro Wood blades work just fine. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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01-21-2007, 07:25 PM	#2
rcboosted Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA	Looks like my pitch was a bit off, I was only at 9 degree pitch yesterday. I brought it up to 11+ today and the climb rate got quite a bit faster. The temperature of the pack of course rose a bit after the flight. But it is still cooler than when I had the 430 at 9 degree pitch. Motor is slightly warmer and the esc is the same.

01-23-2007, 01:45 AM	#3
littlepiston Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: carlsbad NM	what esc are you using ,, batterys?

01-23-2007, 09:59 AM	#4
hikscub Join Date: May 2006 Location: California	15c batts seems low. I read the 500 needs more amps. BTW, how do you like that scale? I see it on ebay for $5 (+$12 shipping).

01-23-2007, 11:49 AM	#6
rcboosted Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA	I'm using Castle Creation Phoenix 35A esc as stated in my review. The battery I'm using is DN Power 15C as stated in the review as well. The JGF 500TH has plenty of power on the 15C battery. My original motor 430 is also using the same battery, so it's a good comparison. The motor is considerably cooler than the 430, and judging by the lower temperature of the battery after the flight, it draws less amperage with everything else being the same. hikscub, the scale is ok, it is off by .1g sometimes. Sometimes it shows 10.1 sometimes 10.0 It uses coin battery, which is a pain to buy, so find something that use AAA.

01-23-2007, 05:07 PM	#7
littlepiston Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: carlsbad NM	what timing are you using on you esc it make a diffrence in power and head speed on my aon 3500 low timing it a real dog vary good flight time warm temp med normal timing its good for loops same flying times prety wrm temps high timinng hot motor vary powerfull les flight times 5min takes 1390 mah out of a 2100 tp prolight i fly this timing for 3d but would like more power

01-23-2007, 07:18 PM	#8
rcboosted Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA	I was using mid timing on both motors.

01-23-2007, 08:44 PM	#9
littlepiston Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: carlsbad NM	if you can try it on high timing and see what the diffrence,, i would go to the other review but he is using a jazz esc,, and i dont have the grand to buy one of those ,, what are they in price ,,like 175.00??!?!?!

01-23-2007, 09:04 PM	#10
hikscub Join Date: May 2006 Location: California	rcboosted: Ok, thanks, I'll look for something else. But, the price is nice On the batts I'm sure that a 15c is ok, especially with 11t. I imagine going to a 14t on the 500th would require something more than 15c. I was flying a 450th on 13t and it was actually pretty tough on the Prolites and I wasn't super happy with the hs or power. I'm now using a Medusa 28-40-2500 on 4s, 11t. 9 min flight times with massive power. But, Medusas are nice but expensive and heavy. The 500SH looks like it will be great on 4s.