First Invert ... First Crash ... Bad Servros now?

mcomet · 03-16-2007, 02:53 PM

Yay... and poop.....

I did my first loop today...went swimmingly...perfect..it was great... I was like yay..that was easy.... did it again.....too low...not enough negative collective.... pow... tail blade strike...lift and spin.... hit throttle hold...crash....

My feathering shaft looks severely bent... one of the grips if like 30-40 degrees off... broke of right skid... tail servo connection rod at end broke where it connects to teh tail blade stuff.... One rear tail support rod broke. That's it for hardware... I think.... do people think I should try a new mainshaft too? This is an SE....stuff looks ok so far other than that...

HOWEVER... my servos are now "sticking" and "click" really bad when I move them by hand. I have Hitec HS-56B. I believe I have read these are crappy plastic and strip easy.... which is probably what happened here. My tail servo, Futaba 9650 seems fine. But my HS56's are apparently crap now yes? Recommendations on replacements please?

Anyhow... just stoked I went inverted finally...it was extremely cool...next time I will remain calmer...heh...

Please help me on what to do here after my first real crash,... I guess had to happen sometime..heh.

ckoelliker · 03-16-2007, 03:06 PM

You stripped your servo gears. You can bur replacement gears for around five dollars a set. If you want to upgrade to a different servo most are using the 65's. They come in standard and metal gear. You will strip the standard from time to time. I have never used the metal so I can not personally say how they hold up. I would think they would be stronger, but consider this: something has to break. If you are not stripping servo gears it could be something else.

I would definitely check your main shaft, main bearings, tail shaft, tail case bearings, your timing belt, and tail blades.

mcomet · 03-16-2007, 04:03 PM

Heh what tail blades.... Those are gone...

I will have to check the case and such....
I hope my bearings aren't bad... I just replaced my main gear and bearings...heh.

Also the "button" on top of my main shaft is gone... The head itself overall seems ok other than feathering shaft... Does anyone know what I need to replace for that? I looked at readyheli and it seems that part is like the enter top block and stuff....$$$$....

comet

Gary JP4 · 03-16-2007, 04:54 PM

I don't think the button comes separately from Align. I did that too and stripped the threads in the hole. I tapped and put a slightly longer one int (the one that comes with it I think). I got the uH one.

http://www.rchover.com/inc/sdetail/24871

If you don't have to have carbon tail blades the black plastic Align's are good and the Gorilla gear one look cool if you like bright colors. Get them to match Gorilla Gear paddles.

Gary JP4 · 03-16-2007, 05:01 PM

Better yet get the Landing gear, paddles, and tail rotors all together when you order the gear. Pick the gear to buy (put into card) and there will be options for the paddles, and tail rotors. Get them all at once and color coordinated and I think you get a discount that way. I got the tall and short gear for the nose down look.

http://www.rchover.com/inc/searchres...0gear&n=199764

Look at my gallery. I don't have a pic with the canopy on but it matches pretty close too. I'll see if I can put a pic of the finished bird in.

mcomet · 03-16-2007, 05:03 PM

Mmm ok I may just replace it then. I'm also noticing the small tail assembly part I need is plastic and it is connected to a metal part which conencts to the grips... Online it looks like both parts are plastic only...although I guess I can use my alu part since that piece of it is still good...

This will be the first time I take the head apart...will be fun...

rdlohr · 03-16-2007, 05:21 PM

Great to see the loop! Congrats! Too bad it ended bad.

Check you frame too. Sometimes frame cracks go unnoticed at first.

Rick

mcomet · 03-16-2007, 06:42 PM

I will definitely check over the frame tho I looked pretty close and haven't seen anything. I wasn't that high...hence my crash or I probabl would have recovered...heh. :|

Also what are peoples thoughts on the skids. I know Gorrilla Gear skids are popular. There's also the stronger more durable skids on the ReadyHeli site.... and of course the junky align ones. Is it better to get cheaper and "let it break" to help absorb the shock of a crash... or are these other skids malleable enough that they absorb the impact, and yet don't break and don't force the break into the frame....

I guess my thought is that it's good to have plastic parts here and there. Like the linkage to tail grip piece that I broke did so because it's plastic but it probably saved the rest of my tail assembly from real damage to the aluminum because it took the force no?

ukgroucho · 03-16-2007, 08:32 PM

Congrats on the LOOOOP! Good work.

bummer on the crash

The head button is excess weight

... don;t sweat it.. I think I have ONE on three Trexes.

Buy HS56 gears... buy several more than you need... they do get stripped. Bob (Finless) has a nice video showing how to replace them.

The only other option is to splurge and buy HS65MGs but you can buy a LOT of gears for what that will cost you. Admittedly the 65MGs will save on rebuilding servo time but economics wise the gear sets are probably a good way to go until you trash the servos or wear 'em out.

Gary JP4 · 03-16-2007, 09:08 PM

Michael, Did you see my post above on the Gorilla Gear. You can get them with the paddles, and tail rotor blades at a discount.

rdlohr · 03-16-2007, 09:26 PM

Quote:

The only other option is to splurge and buy HS65MGs but you can buy a LOT of gears for what that will cost you. Admittedly the 65MGs will save on rebuilding servo time but economics wise the gear sets are probably a good way to go until you trash the servos or wear 'em out.

Buy the 65mgs. It will take you 15-20 minutes to rebuild each servo you strip on most bad crashes. Rebuilding servos gets old quick. I know, I held out for 3 months. It wasn't worth it. Spend the few bucks extra and spend your time on something more fun!

Rick

BruceW · 03-16-2007, 09:48 PM

I think I more than paid for a set of 65MGs by buying gear sets for the 56s. As Rick said, the time and money just aren't worth it. I wish I would have bought the 65MGs in the beginning but I hadn't researched these threads until after the purchase. That would have saved some money in the long run.

Bytheway · 03-16-2007, 10:11 PM

I've just rebuilt my 3 HS-56HB (bought several sets in case), it's cool to do it yourself and experience the "how to" but even though I'm really patient, I'd get fed up if I had to fix'em several times as these gears look so fragile that a fart would probably strip a whole set :wink:

bullaculla · 03-17-2007, 01:39 AM

I just had a minor crash and stripped all my plastic servo gears. gonna skip replacing gears and i'll buy the HS65mg servos this time.

Anybody want to buy 3 stripped DS285 servos cheap? :mrgreen:

Pinecone · 03-17-2007, 03:12 AM

How cheap?

And where do people fly on Oahu? I will be out there next week. My Mom is from Kaimuki.

bullaculla · 03-17-2007, 04:16 AM

There is an airfield out in kailua, about 30-45 minute drive from Kaimuki depending on traffic, and an electric field out in Eva beach (far) but its basically a local park where they allow (tolerate) electric aircraft to fly. :mrgreen:

mcomet · 03-17-2007, 09:12 AM

Cool thanks guys... my local expert said the same thing, rebuilding gears is a pain, guess I know what to do then. Gary yeah I saw your post about the gorrilla gear... I was just wondering if anyone else had an opinion on them too but I do recall seeing other posts in the past with people really liking them.

Thanks everyone...order time... heh

mcomet · 03-17-2007, 09:30 AM

Ha ok I went to RC Hover to order the gorrilla gear...they have a finless video on there showing the comparisons of all the stuff by finless... now I see. Gorrilla Gear definitely the way to go...hahaha... Thanks

Gary JP4 · 03-17-2007, 09:44 AM

I was just pointing out the package deal on Gear, paddles, and tail rotor blades.

The gear is great. I had the bump resistant Align gear for a year and finally broke them. The paddles are better then the Align ones I had and I like the weight system. The tail rotor blades may not be any better than any others but I think they look cool matching the gear and paddles (assuming you like the wild colors).

mcomet · 03-17-2007, 10:07 AM

Cool... yeah I ordered black... I decided I prefer that for now...but looking forward to trying it out.

Here's a picture of my feathering shaft...yes...bent...

03-16-2007, 02:53 PM	#1
mcomet Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Concord, CA	First Invert ... First Crash ... Bad Servros now? Yay... and poop..... I did my first loop today...went swimmingly...perfect..it was great... I was like yay..that was easy.... did it again.....too low...not enough negative collective.... pow... tail blade strike...lift and spin.... hit throttle hold...crash.... My feathering shaft looks severely bent... one of the grips if like 30-40 degrees off... broke of right skid... tail servo connection rod at end broke where it connects to teh tail blade stuff.... One rear tail support rod broke. That's it for hardware... I think.... do people think I should try a new mainshaft too? This is an SE....stuff looks ok so far other than that... HOWEVER... my servos are now "sticking" and "click" really bad when I move them by hand. I have Hitec HS-56B. I believe I have read these are crappy plastic and strip easy.... which is probably what happened here. My tail servo, Futaba 9650 seems fine. But my HS56's are apparently crap now yes? Recommendations on replacements please? Anyhow... just stoked I went inverted finally...it was extremely cool...next time I will remain calmer...heh... Please help me on what to do here after my first real crash,... I guess had to happen sometime..heh. __________________ Michael Comet - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. size="1">RealFlight - Dx7 - TRex 600CF - TRex 450SEv1 - Blade mCPx

03-16-2007, 04:03 PM	#3
mcomet Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Concord, CA	Heh what tail blades.... Those are gone... I will have to check the case and such.... I hope my bearings aren't bad... I just replaced my main gear and bearings...heh. Also the "button" on top of my main shaft is gone... The head itself overall seems ok other than feathering shaft... Does anyone know what I need to replace for that? I looked at readyheli and it seems that part is like the enter top block and stuff....$$$$.... comet __________________ Michael Comet - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. size="1">RealFlight - Dx7 - TRex 600CF - TRex 450SEv1 - Blade mCPx

03-16-2007, 04:54 PM	#4
Gary JP4 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nashville, USA	I don't think the button comes separately from Align. I did that too and stripped the threads in the hole. I tapped and put a slightly longer one int (the one that comes with it I think). I got the uH one. http://www.rchover.com/inc/sdetail/24871 If you don't have to have carbon tail blades the black plastic Align's are good and the Gorilla gear one look cool if you like bright colors. Get them to match Gorilla Gear paddles. __________________ T-Rex 450 SE, 430L 13t, Align 35A ESC, 325 Pro, JR 6102DX6, GY401, 9650, HS-65MG'S.

03-16-2007, 05:01 PM	#5
Gary JP4 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nashville, USA	Better yet get the Landing gear, paddles, and tail rotors all together when you order the gear. Pick the gear to buy (put into card) and there will be options for the paddles, and tail rotors. Get them all at once and color coordinated and I think you get a discount that way. I got the tall and short gear for the nose down look. http://www.rchover.com/inc/searchres...0gear&n=199764 Look at my gallery. I don't have a pic with the canopy on but it matches pretty close too. I'll see if I can put a pic of the finished bird in. __________________ T-Rex 450 SE, 430L 13t, Align 35A ESC, 325 Pro, JR 6102DX6, GY401, 9650, HS-65MG'S.

03-16-2007, 05:03 PM	#6
mcomet Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Concord, CA	Mmm ok I may just replace it then. I'm also noticing the small tail assembly part I need is plastic and it is connected to a metal part which conencts to the grips... Online it looks like both parts are plastic only...although I guess I can use my alu part since that piece of it is still good... This will be the first time I take the head apart...will be fun... __________________ Michael Comet - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. size="1">RealFlight - Dx7 - TRex 600CF - TRex 450SEv1 - Blade mCPx

03-16-2007, 03:06 PM	#2
ckoelliker Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Simons, GA	You stripped your servo gears. You can bur replacement gears for around five dollars a set. If you want to upgrade to a different servo most are using the 65's. They come in standard and metal gear. You will strip the standard from time to time. I have never used the metal so I can not personally say how they hold up. I would think they would be stronger, but consider this: something has to break. If you are not stripping servo gears it could be something else. I would definitely check your main shaft, main bearings, tail shaft, tail case bearings, your timing belt, and tail blades.

03-16-2007, 05:21 PM	#7
rdlohr HF Support My HF Map location Join Date: May 2006 Location: Massachusetts	Great to see the loop! Congrats! Too bad it ended bad. Check you frame too. Sometimes frame cracks go unnoticed at first. Rick __________________ Helifreak, the place to be! Rush 750,Logo 400SE 600SE, TREX 450SE, 500, 600, Blade mCPX,130X My products, flown by top pilots around the world, like you! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

03-16-2007, 06:42 PM	#8
mcomet Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Concord, CA	I will definitely check over the frame tho I looked pretty close and haven't seen anything. I wasn't that high...hence my crash or I probabl would have recovered...heh. :\| Also what are peoples thoughts on the skids. I know Gorrilla Gear skids are popular. There's also the stronger more durable skids on the ReadyHeli site.... and of course the junky align ones. Is it better to get cheaper and "let it break" to help absorb the shock of a crash... or are these other skids malleable enough that they absorb the impact, and yet don't break and don't force the break into the frame.... I guess my thought is that it's good to have plastic parts here and there. Like the linkage to tail grip piece that I broke did so because it's plastic but it probably saved the rest of my tail assembly from real damage to the aluminum because it took the force no? __________________ Michael Comet - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. size="1">RealFlight - Dx7 - TRex 600CF - TRex 450SEv1 - Blade mCPx

03-16-2007, 08:32 PM	#9
ukgroucho Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK, Stratford Upon Avon	Congrats on the LOOOOP! Good work. bummer on the crash The head button is excess weight ... don;t sweat it.. I think I have ONE on three Trexes. Buy HS56 gears... buy several more than you need... they do get stripped. Bob (Finless) has a nice video showing how to replace them. The only other option is to splurge and buy HS65MGs but you can buy a LOT of gears for what that will cost you. Admittedly the 65MGs will save on rebuilding servo time but economics wise the gear sets are probably a good way to go until you trash the servos or wear 'em out.

03-16-2007, 09:08 PM	#10
Gary JP4 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nashville, USA	Michael, Did you see my post above on the Gorilla Gear. You can get them with the paddles, and tail rotor blades at a discount. __________________ T-Rex 450 SE, 430L 13t, Align 35A ESC, 325 Pro, JR 6102DX6, GY401, 9650, HS-65MG'S.

03-16-2007, 09:48 PM	#12
BruceW Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Santa Barbara	I think I more than paid for a set of 65MGs by buying gear sets for the 56s. As Rick said, the time and money just aren't worth it. I wish I would have bought the 65MGs in the beginning but I hadn't researched these threads until after the purchase. That would have saved some money in the long run. __________________ Logo 500 3D /Scorpion HK4020-1100KV (16T)/Jazz80/BLS451/Spartan DS760/BLS251/RT 560mm/AR9000 TRex 450SE /Scorpion HK-2221-8 (13T)/ AlignESC35(X)/ HS65MG/Spartan DS760/S9650/AR6100 Spektrum DX7

03-16-2007, 10:11 PM	#13
Bytheway Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada	I've just rebuilt my 3 HS-56HB (bought several sets in case), it's cool to do it yourself and experience the "how to" but even though I'm really patient, I'd get fed up if I had to fix'em several times as these gears look so fragile that a fart would probably strip a whole set :wink: __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

03-17-2007, 01:39 AM	#14
bullaculla Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii	I just had a minor crash and stripped all my plastic servo gears. gonna skip replacing gears and i'll buy the HS65mg servos this time. Anybody want to buy 3 stripped DS285 servos cheap? :mrgreen: __________________ T-Rex 600 HFE-stretched to 700, 10s, Tango 45-08, Jazz 55, JR7703D/S8900G, DJ Vegh nose cam mount. T-Rex 600 HFX-stretched to 700, 10s, Orbit 30-12, Jazz 55, GY611/S9256, Askman 360 mount. JR X9303.

03-17-2007, 03:12 AM	#15
Pinecone Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Maryland	How cheap? And where do people fly on Oahu? I will be out there next week. My Mom is from Kaimuki. __________________ Terry AMA#47402, IRCHA # 3395 Blade CP "Pro", Trex 450SE, PiccoZ, Quick of Japan EP8v2 EX, Hurricane 550, Hurricane 200, JR Vibe 50, Blade mCX, Bergen Intrepid Gasser, Pantera 50, Blade mSR, Novus CP

03-17-2007, 04:16 AM	#16
bullaculla Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii	There is an airfield out in kailua, about 30-45 minute drive from Kaimuki depending on traffic, and an electric field out in Eva beach (far) but its basically a local park where they allow (tolerate) electric aircraft to fly. :mrgreen: __________________ T-Rex 600 HFE-stretched to 700, 10s, Tango 45-08, Jazz 55, JR7703D/S8900G, DJ Vegh nose cam mount. T-Rex 600 HFX-stretched to 700, 10s, Orbit 30-12, Jazz 55, GY611/S9256, Askman 360 mount. JR X9303.

03-17-2007, 09:12 AM	#17
mcomet Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Concord, CA	Cool thanks guys... my local expert said the same thing, rebuilding gears is a pain, guess I know what to do then. Gary yeah I saw your post about the gorrilla gear... I was just wondering if anyone else had an opinion on them too but I do recall seeing other posts in the past with people really liking them. Thanks everyone...order time... heh __________________ Michael Comet - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. size="1">RealFlight - Dx7 - TRex 600CF - TRex 450SEv1 - Blade mCPx

03-17-2007, 09:30 AM	#18
mcomet Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Concord, CA	Ha ok I went to RC Hover to order the gorrilla gear...they have a finless video on there showing the comparisons of all the stuff by finless... now I see. Gorrilla Gear definitely the way to go...hahaha... Thanks __________________ Michael Comet - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. size="1">RealFlight - Dx7 - TRex 600CF - TRex 450SEv1 - Blade mCPx

03-17-2007, 09:44 AM	#19
Gary JP4 Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nashville, USA	I was just pointing out the package deal on Gear, paddles, and tail rotor blades. The gear is great. I had the bump resistant Align gear for a year and finally broke them. The paddles are better then the Align ones I had and I like the weight system. The tail rotor blades may not be any better than any others but I think they look cool matching the gear and paddles (assuming you like the wild colors). __________________ T-Rex 450 SE, 430L 13t, Align 35A ESC, 325 Pro, JR 6102DX6, GY401, 9650, HS-65MG'S.

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