Close up of Kyles Xxtreme @ 3D Masters 2011

Blink 182 · 07-22-2011, 06:19 AM

There is a little bit of Kyle, Jesse, and Jamie flying thier logos also..

kouasupra · 07-22-2011, 10:51 AM

That was great. That logo xxtreme is really moving. Good luck to Kyle, Jamie, and Jesse.

dahld · 07-26-2011, 10:08 PM

Just a comment on the video:

If you took the time to checkout the frame layout on the XXtreme, I thought I'd let you know what you see in the vid is not the "production" layout. Mikado has developed a "refined" version to the original prototypes Kyle has been flying.

Nothing with the drive trains, head or tail mechanics has been changed, as they have been well proven. The change is simply in the frame layout, and only concerns the battery compartment.

The frames have been modified to allow current 14S 5000mah class packs (and even larger packs if / when they ever appear on the market??), to be positioned further rearward in the frames, for proper CG if necessary based on other equipment used.

Also, since the machine is really too big for a 12S set-up (and thus 12S set-ups won't be common in the end...which requires the 12S batteries to be far forward in the frames for proper CG), the frames in the nose and battery compartment (forward) has been shortened.

This new "look" proportions the frames much better, and the heli looks far better than before with the canopy off. And, the frames as a whole are more compact, stiffer, and more crash resistance.

(-: Dave

Blink 182 · 07-26-2011, 10:13 PM

Thanks for the info dave.

How many volts is kyle running to the computer fans? I run mine of a Voltz 6s 1300 with no issues.

dahld · 07-26-2011, 10:22 PM

I like to explain that the fans are there due to the very hot California summer conditions we normally fly in. Helps to keep the ESC temps "reasonable", and reduces the turn around time on the motor cooling between flights significantly.

However, the first few months we had the machines we didn't install any fans, as the weather was cooler. But the Central California Valley in June, July and August...the fans are a blessing.

Anyway, they are just 12V computer fans, and we use a small 3S 850mah pack to power them. They draw so little current, that the 850 pack runs them a full day of flying with power to spare.

(-: Dave

Blink 182 · 07-26-2011, 10:27 PM

Yeah it gets pretty hot in Bakersfield. :-) I bet the motor and ESC were very happy in Venlo hehe

dahld · 07-26-2011, 11:23 PM

Yea, with the cooling fans running during flight in Venlo, the ESC ran just barely above ambient (-:

Dave

jhheli · 07-26-2011, 11:53 PM

What was the headspeed, and pitch that Kyle ran on 753s.

garfieldhummer · 07-27-2011, 04:52 AM

I want to know how long can XXtreme fly with all set up in the competition? In the video it flys 3:30. Would the new frame allow people use package like 6+6+2 cell OR 8+6 cell? For now only voltz has the 7S pack

RRRappy50 · 07-27-2011, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garfieldhummer

I want to know how long can XXtreme fly with all set up in the competition? In the video it flys 3:30. Would the new frame allow people use package like 6+6+2 cell OR 8+6 cell? For now only voltz has the 7S pack

Tp have a 7S 65 C....but are more expensive than the Voltz....

Any news for release date?

Regards.

dahld · 07-27-2011, 08:00 AM

Q: "What was the head speed, and pitch that Kyle ran on 753s."

A: 1850 @ +/- 14 degrees.

Q: "I want to know how long can XXtreme fly with all set up in the competition?"

A: Generally four minutes when flown super aggressively with the higher head speeds and high collective pitch settings. Same as with Kyle's Logo 600's on 10S 5000mah class packs ....which again is, four minutes of hard competition style flying.

(-: Dave

jhheli · 07-27-2011, 01:29 PM

Do you think 2000 headspeed at 12 degrees of pitch can be run with no problem on 753s, or is it putting to much stress somewhere.

What does kyle like better 753 or 813, I no one is quicker, but what does he prefer.

marcosp · 07-27-2011, 03:19 PM

I see this heli going 16S very quickly in the following year. 4 min on an 800 machine is pretty short!!!

Nko15 · 07-30-2011, 02:09 PM

Nice video from Timo Wendtland from Kyle his Set figures.

YouTube

rafaelc9436 · 07-30-2011, 02:16 PM

Hi Dave, i have a question on that YGE 160HV ESC. How comparible is to the Kontronik that Kyle usually uses on the 600's and how is the quality of it and are you using the V-stabi Gov or the YGE Gov?
Thanks; Really appreciate it Sincerely Rafael from Puerto Rico ;-)

dahld · 07-30-2011, 07:55 PM

We have only used the V-Bar's governor with the YGE on the XXtreme, as we really like the "tune-ability" of the V-Bar's system. So, I can't comment good or bad about the YGE's internal gov.

Also, no external phase sensor is needed with the YGE. It has a pre-wired pigtail that is used with the program card, that doubles as the sensor input to the V-Bar.

As for how the YGE performs?? What we have now is working very well, and we have the same ESC's in the machines (three of them), that we had at the XFC. They've been worked long and hard, and are hanging in there.

At the very early stages of prototyping, we had some issues that apparently revolved around the ESC's software. But that was dealt with long ago. No problems with hardware.

(-: Dave

07-22-2011, 06:19 AM	#1
Blink 182 Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: eu	Close up of Kyles Xxtreme @ 3D Masters 2011 There is a little bit of Kyle, Jesse, and Jamie flying thier logos also.. __________________ (´・ω・`) ギルティクラウン (´・ω・`) (´・ω・`) (´・ω・`)

07-26-2011, 10:08 PM	#3
dahld Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, California, USA	Just a comment on the video: If you took the time to checkout the frame layout on the XXtreme, I thought I'd let you know what you see in the vid is not the "production" layout. Mikado has developed a "refined" version to the original prototypes Kyle has been flying. Nothing with the drive trains, head or tail mechanics has been changed, as they have been well proven. The change is simply in the frame layout, and only concerns the battery compartment. The frames have been modified to allow current 14S 5000mah class packs (and even larger packs if / when they ever appear on the market??), to be positioned further rearward in the frames, for proper CG if necessary based on other equipment used. Also, since the machine is really too big for a 12S set-up (and thus 12S set-ups won't be common in the end...which requires the 12S batteries to be far forward in the frames for proper CG), the frames in the nose and battery compartment (forward) has been shortened. This new "look" proportions the frames much better, and the heli looks far better than before with the canopy off. And, the frames as a whole are more compact, stiffer, and more crash resistance. (-: Dave __________________ Kyle Dahl Sponsored by: Mikado, JR, Voltz/Thor, Scorpion, Edge Blades.

07-26-2011, 10:13 PM	#4
Blink 182 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: eu	Thanks for the info dave. How many volts is kyle running to the computer fans? I run mine of a Voltz 6s 1300 with no issues. __________________ (´・ω・`) ギルティクラウン (´・ω・`) (´・ω・`) (´・ω・`)

07-26-2011, 10:22 PM	#5
dahld Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, California, USA	I like to explain that the fans are there due to the very hot California summer conditions we normally fly in. Helps to keep the ESC temps "reasonable", and reduces the turn around time on the motor cooling between flights significantly. However, the first few months we had the machines we didn't install any fans, as the weather was cooler. But the Central California Valley in June, July and August...the fans are a blessing. Anyway, they are just 12V computer fans, and we use a small 3S 850mah pack to power them. They draw so little current, that the 850 pack runs them a full day of flying with power to spare. (-: Dave __________________ Kyle Dahl Sponsored by: Mikado, JR, Voltz/Thor, Scorpion, Edge Blades.

07-26-2011, 10:27 PM	#6
Blink 182 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: eu	Yeah it gets pretty hot in Bakersfield. :-) I bet the motor and ESC were very happy in Venlo hehe __________________ (´・ω・`) ギルティクラウン (´・ω・`) (´・ω・`) (´・ω・`)

07-22-2011, 10:51 AM	#2
kouasupra Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Fresno, CA	That was great. That logo xxtreme is really moving. Good luck to Kyle, Jamie, and Jesse.

07-26-2011, 11:23 PM	#7
dahld Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, California, USA	Yea, with the cooling fans running during flight in Venlo, the ESC ran just barely above ambient (-: Dave __________________ Kyle Dahl Sponsored by: Mikado, JR, Voltz/Thor, Scorpion, Edge Blades.

07-26-2011, 11:53 PM	#8
jhheli Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: maryland	What was the headspeed, and pitch that Kyle ran on 753s. __________________ Justin Harris It is better to measure 10 times and cut once, than to cut 10 times and measure once. Sponsored by : SAB USA, KONTRONIK, PRC, CANOMOD, PULSE ULTRA

07-27-2011, 04:52 AM	#9
garfieldhummer Registered Users Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Perth, Australia	I want to know how long can XXtreme fly with all set up in the competition? In the video it flys 3:30. Would the new frame allow people use package like 6+6+2 cell OR 8+6 cell? For now only voltz has the 7S pack __________________ Align 450 Sport, Custom up frame, Ino-lab D260mg, 4350KV Flower Power, GY520 BLS257 combo, DSX9

07-27-2011, 08:00 AM	#11
dahld Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, California, USA	Q: "What was the head speed, and pitch that Kyle ran on 753s." A: 1850 @ +/- 14 degrees. Q: "I want to know how long can XXtreme fly with all set up in the competition?" A: Generally four minutes when flown super aggressively with the higher head speeds and high collective pitch settings. Same as with Kyle's Logo 600's on 10S 5000mah class packs ....which again is, four minutes of hard competition style flying. (-: Dave __________________ Kyle Dahl Sponsored by: Mikado, JR, Voltz/Thor, Scorpion, Edge Blades.

07-27-2011, 01:29 PM	#12
jhheli Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: maryland	Do you think 2000 headspeed at 12 degrees of pitch can be run with no problem on 753s, or is it putting to much stress somewhere. What does kyle like better 753 or 813, I no one is quicker, but what does he prefer. __________________ Justin Harris It is better to measure 10 times and cut once, than to cut 10 times and measure once. Sponsored by : SAB USA, KONTRONIK, PRC, CANOMOD, PULSE ULTRA

07-27-2011, 03:19 PM	#13
marcosp Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Argentina	I see this heli going 16S very quickly in the following year. 4 min on an 800 machine is pretty short!!!

07-30-2011, 02:16 PM	#15
rafaelc9436 Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Puerto Rico	Hi Dave, i have a question on that YGE 160HV ESC. How comparible is to the Kontronik that Kyle usually uses on the 600's and how is the quality of it and are you using the V-stabi Gov or the YGE Gov? Thanks; Really appreciate it Sincerely Rafael from Puerto Rico ;-)

07-30-2011, 07:55 PM	#16
dahld Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, California, USA	We have only used the V-Bar's governor with the YGE on the XXtreme, as we really like the "tune-ability" of the V-Bar's system. So, I can't comment good or bad about the YGE's internal gov. Also, no external phase sensor is needed with the YGE. It has a pre-wired pigtail that is used with the program card, that doubles as the sensor input to the V-Bar. As for how the YGE performs?? What we have now is working very well, and we have the same ESC's in the machines (three of them), that we had at the XFC. They've been worked long and hard, and are hanging in there. At the very early stages of prototyping, we had some issues that apparently revolved around the ESC's software. But that was dealt with long ago. No problems with hardware. (-: Dave __________________ Kyle Dahl Sponsored by: Mikado, JR, Voltz/Thor, Scorpion, Edge Blades.

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