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Old 06-12-2012, 10:08 PM   #381
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what main gear should i get?

and how are the new align servos working out?? was thinkin bout goin to those
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:20 AM   #382
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I'm using the stock straight gear but wouldn't mind changing to the helical to make it quieter


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Old 06-15-2012, 01:41 PM   #383
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Any guys here have experience with ALZRC motor. I am tryin to find out the this 6S 2000kv magnetic pole count of the motor.

It is model RCM-BL450B20 and is no longer listed on thier site.

got one on the way for testing i'm sure its 8 or 10
you can always slide off the can and just count the magnets

the tarot 1860kv does a nice job i've been running that for almost 2 months without any problems
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:42 PM   #384
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I'm using the stock straight gear but wouldn't mind changing to the helical to make it quieter

I changed to slant gears and with a steel pinion I cant really tell any difference in noise
got a copper pinion on the way that should quite it alot
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MY 6s setup is pulling 5 amps continuous and 10-12 amps peak. Def no need for a esc over 50 amps.
for the most part I pull 4-9 amps but when i'm really in it like i was 30 minutes ago I see peeks of 23-29amps which still isnt nothing
and averages of 9-14 amps still nothing

6s is the ways to go
my motor comes down cool to the touch
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:46 PM   #386
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Well, the batteries arrived so I was able to mod the frame. I cut it down to the strap slot, took out about a centimetre of the battery tray so it still looks stock unless you look close at the seam.

Dfc head setup is next. Should be here on Monday.
I use 6s 1200mah packs and no frame mods are needed
almost the same size as a 3s 2200
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:41 AM   #387
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got one on the way for testing i'm sure its 8 or 10
you can always slide off the can and just count the magnets

the tarot 1860kv does a nice job i've been running that for almost 2 months without any problems

Hi there, I got a repy from Hk-parts.com.
They said it is a 12 pole
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:36 PM   #388
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12 pole, seriously

i'll take mine apart when it comes and look myself
I dont see it being 12pole
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:38 PM   #389
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i need some settings for my ice lite 50a esc.

i have the scorpion 2221-2010 v2 motor with the microheli main gear and 13 and 14t pinions.


looking for good tic tocs with no bogging. will i get this out of this setup with align blades??

trex 450 pro v2
ds415m servos
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scorpion 2221-2010 motor
ice lite 50 esc
castle 6s bec
mks ds95i on tail
microheli main bearing blocks
new style tail case

all i need now is some esc settings please help thanks in advance
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Old 06-17-2012, 03:01 PM   #390
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[QUOTE=chiefs_nut_58;4032160]i need some settings for my ice lite 50a esc.

i have the scorpion 2221-2010 v2 motor with the microheli main gear and 13 and 14t pinions.


looking for good tic tocs with no bogging. will i get this out of this setup with align blades??

this is a 4s motor you might be able to run it at 6s but heres the deal
running that motor at 6s would require you to run a 8 tooth pinion to get your specs even close to the 3400rpm mark with a 121t main gear which is what the helical gears are
that I know of the only make an 11t 12t 13t and 14t for the slant gear and I found those in differnt places
at 3400 your still only at 85.8% with a 8t pinion

your going to have to goto the staight gear set instead of the slant

on a 150t main gear you will want a 9t pinion giving you a almost perfect 3400rmp at 94.5%
3250 seems to be the sweet spot but alot of people like a little extra headspeed and 3400 is that stop more that this and your just wasting power
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:33 PM   #391
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this is the motor i have:

http://helidirect.com/scorpion-hk-22...v2-p-24357.hdx

says specifically designed for 6s. should run well with the 12 or 13t pinion i thought from what i read earlyer in this thread?
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:53 PM   #392
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would this be accurate for my setup?









Castle-Link Program Settings Report
Title: 081411
Date: 8/14/2011 11:43:20 PM
Throttle
Vehicle Type Helicopter
Throttle Type Governor Mode
Governor Gain 19
Initial Spool-Up Rate 5
Head Speed Change Rate 6
Auto Rotate Enabled False
Governor Mode Type Fixed
Vehicle Setup - Battery Type LiPo
Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells 6
Vehicle Setup - Battery Voltage 22.2000
Vehicle Setup - Gear Ratio 11.538
Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv 2010
Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles 6
Desired Head Speed 1 2808
Desired Head Speed 2 3009
Desired Head Speed 3 3154
Brake
Cutoffs
Cutoff Voltage Auto Li-Po (Default)
Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell 3.3 Volts/Cell
Current Limiting Insensitive (80A)
Cutoff Type Soft Cutoff
Motor
Motor Start Power Medium (59) (Default)
Motor Timing Low (0)
Direction Forward (Default)
PWM Rate Outrunner Mode
Other
Power-On Beep Enabled (Default)
BEC Voltage Custom (5.6875)
Logging
Data Log Enabled 255
Sample Frequency 1 Sample / Sec (Default)
Software
Device Name Phoenix ICE 50 (F367)
Current Firmware V 3.27
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:01 PM   #393
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Default What is consider a good gross weight for a Trex 450 pro fbl 6s setup?

I'm getting close to finishing my first build with a Trex 450 Pro FBL. I think it will be around 860-865 grams overall weight. Just ordered the Spektrum AR7200BX and the MKS DS8910A+ and that will be the only thing left to install, which both have a combine weight of 46.6 grams according to Manufacteres' specs. The heli weight right now is 815 grams and that is with the TM1000 Telemetry receiver, if is compatible with the AR7200BX and can be useful. If I don't use the TM1000, then is around 800 grams + 46.6 grams and overall weight would be 846.6 +/- a few grams. Is this a good overall weight, or too heavy or too light?
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:09 AM   #394
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Chief it is recommended not to run in Outrunner Mode for PWM setting. Has been known to cause motors to lock up. Castle no longer uses it as the default setting in its newer firmwares. For that motor id try 12 or 16 Khz. And if you are using stock servos you could run the BEC at 6V's.
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:47 AM   #395
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will the motor and pinion gearing be good with a 13t pinion and the microheli main gear? heres what i got:



rhino gear 13t pinion


microheli main gear. i think its 150t


Scorpion HK-2221-2010 V2 Brushless Motor (2010KV) 6S T-REX 450PRO V2
[HK-2221-2010V2]



and this motor: one guy said it was for 6s?? wtf?? is this true?? i was just wondering if i ordered correctly
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:59 AM   #396
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heres what the readyheli calculator gave me when i put in this:

150t main
13t pinion
6s
2010kv
peak efficiency 90

Results from the calculation Close Result for calculation:
Estimated lowest voltage during flight: 20,34
Lowest RPM (due to voltage and efficiency) : 3188

Castle program warning that max is at: 3306
a little over that is OK, it's just a warning

Result is made to match that of the Castle link program

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Results from the calculation Close
Result for calculation:
Estimated lowest voltage during flight: 20,34
Lowest RPM (due to voltage and efficiency) : 3188

Castle program warning that max is at: 3306
a little over that is OK, it's just a warning

Result is made to match that of the Castle link program
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:20 AM   #397
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Yep its a 6S motor, says so in the link. If Castle Link is saying 3300 is the max headspeed id try 3100-3200 for a bit of headroom. Check your logs and if power output is hitting 100% lower it some more.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:53 AM   #398
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I have been flying a 15T pinion with my 1700kv 450MX, then switched to the 12T helical/slant gear and pinion. I decided to try a 16T straight pinion that I had laying around for fun. I run a 100% flat throttle curve, this 3200/3300 set rpm stuff doesnt cut it for me....
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:49 AM   #399
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damn that thing sounds like a circular saw on crack. wonder what the headspeed is running at?
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:58 AM   #400
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I'm really not sure but it is high! Running 13.5 degrees of pitch with the DFC head and this thing is quick, it is harder on my lipos and does draw more amps though with the 16T vs the 15T I had on there.
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