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Old 12-23-2011, 07:55 PM   #41
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I have to give a big thumbs up to Experiance RC's service, they shipped a new replacement swash out express today, will be here tomorrow!

Can't wait to start setting the Mini-Vbar up!

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Old 12-24-2011, 07:23 AM   #42
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Hi All,you can also do the same on the mini and take the servo's and frames out in one,once your used to it the Mini is easy to work on,yours,Marty.
That's cool to know. Do you have issues with mainshaft bearing alignment if you do it this way?

By the way, does anyone have any tips (or a link to) on a set of good ball link pliers as well? Mine can get them off no bother, but can't put them back on.

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Old 12-24-2011, 07:42 AM   #43
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That's cool to know. Do you have issues with mainshaft bearing alignment if you do it this way?
No, just make sure the servos aren't tightened up, insert the assembly, slip in the main shaft and do up the screws on the frame in a pattern a little at a time. When you have the frame tightened and the shaft is dropping through with little friction then tighten the servos on their mounts.

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Old 12-26-2011, 11:22 PM   #44
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Well, after ~7 hours yesterday and about 2 hours today, despite it looking nearly built, I'm no closer to the maiden then when it was still in the box 3 days ago.

I'll vent my opinions after I've had several hours of sleeping and not thinking about it tomorrow.

A quick question though; how do you route your esc-to-motor wires? I've fiddled, tinkered, messed about, and I just can't see how the 60 will fit under the battery tray without being kinked up or rubbing on either the pinion/belt or motor can. Thanks in advance!
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Old 12-26-2011, 11:53 PM   #45
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I have never liked bullets, especially the 3.5mm variety, So I direct soldered the motor and ESC before installing them. Re-wrapped the ESC in lighter shrink tube too. Its double stick taped under the battery tray with the O ring, and I could push it back another 8mm or so and still have plenty of clearance around the pinion.

Pretty sure I installed the motor and ESC as a pair with one of the carbon side frames off.

Very hard to get pictures of the wires once installed, but heres a bunch for you to look at

I'm loving mine, some small issues with the build, bot nothing too exciting. Just like any new bird you have to learn the best sequence for installing things. The manual is very good....

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Old 12-27-2011, 09:07 PM   #46
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Thanks for the photos Dylwad! I think I'm gonna let her sit all week, and take another crack at it when I don't feel like stepping on it and dumping it in the trash.

As for my opinions on the build. Well, maybe it just got too hyped up. I really expected it to go together so smoothly, with no issues what-so-ever. I will confess that is just a tad unrealistic for any complicated machine.

The fit and finish of the parts are very nice. On that note, maybe I've never built a crappy heli. I've built a couple Aligns, a Century, a Compass, a Thunder Tiger, and I've pretty much built an mCP X from the bottom up as I've installed upgrades and repairs. I wasn't blown away or impressed, except for the tail boom block. The system of installing the boom is very nice and simple. I wonder why other manufactures don't do something similar. I have a feeling that repairs will be very simple.

I will say that I don't recall building anything with so much hardware. I feel like there is a bolt on every square inch of this thing. Which brings me to my second problem. One of the M2x16 bolts for the tail grips came with bad threads. It won't thread into anything. But, one out of the 300 or so bolts that come with this kit isn't bad. I tried to run down to the hobby store to pick a pack up, but I couldn't find anything close. I haven't been able to get down to the specialty bolt store yet, but will as soon as I get some spare time.

Although I knew the grommets were crap going into it, sure enough, my grommets were crap. Corrado, HighFreq, if you read this, you think you could just call up the shop and ask them to put larger holes in the canopies? I think this is the root of the problem. The holes are so small that the only way I could pull out the grommets was to shove them out with the giant ball on the canopy posts. LOL. Which promptly ended up cutting them in half as they exited. But anyway, no biggie. It'll get fixed whenever I finish my build.

Anyway, I just thought I'd air my opinion, for what little it's worth. I'm hoping that once in the air, it'll win me over.
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Old 12-29-2011, 03:44 AM   #47
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So you want to throw it in the trash over 1 bad screw? I would hate to see your opinion on building some of the Clones out there....

My canopy grommets are perfect, lubed the posts with some 7000 wt silicone diff fluid and the canopy slides right on. I did CA the back side of the grommets to the canopy too, and will probably CA a loop of Kevlar thread around them to strengthen the canopy.

My 450 pro canopy cracked all over the place after putting it on 3 times, the Protos canopy still looks perfect after 20+ flights and hours of fine tuning the Mini-V-bar.

I did have 1 bolt in my kit break, but it was mostly my fault, one of the 6mm long screws into the upper servo/main shaft block. I dry fit everything and it galled backing it out to put loctite on it. Should have put a little bit of Loctite on everything to begin with.

I also spent quite a bit of time getting the grease out of the FBL feathering shaft ends.

It was still one of my favorite builds. I always had to run something in the lathe on all of my Trex 450 pro builds to get everything smooth and slop free, especially in the tail, and usually ended up slotting the boom mounting holes in the frame sides to get proper gear mesh.
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:56 AM   #48
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[QUOTE=th0rg0d;3499998

A quick question though; how do you route your esc-to-motor wires? I've fiddled, tinkered, messed about, and I just can't see how the 60 will fit under the battery tray without being kinked up or rubbing on either the pinion/belt or motor can. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

Great Question, I am in the process building mine right now and am having the same issues.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:54 PM   #49
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It's not so much the one bolt that is pushing me over the edge. I think I just came into this kit with very high expectations. This is my first "top-tier" heli, and like I stated, I've never had a build or quality problem per se. It seems as the years go by, so does my patience. That's why I want to wait, take a step back, ask questions, and then have another go to finish it up.

Besides, I really am in no hurry. I just keep trying to tell myself that.
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Great Question, I am in the process building mine right now and am having the same issues.
I think I'm going to connect the bullets, stuff the esc in, then try to zip tie them out of the way. As a last resort, I probably go with the suggestion of taking the frame apart, and doing it as such.
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I think I'm going to connect the bullets, stuff the esc in, then try to zip tie them out of the way.
That's how I did it. Pretty straightforward. I thought the build on this heli was great except the main shaft collar screw. I like the way the wiring can be tucked nice and neat between the tail and frames. The tail is great, the heli is quiet, the Low FBL head is nice as it incorporates the swash driver. Canopy and grommets? Easily dealt with. Overall, I'm still impressed.

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Old 12-29-2011, 03:23 PM   #52
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Were you able to make it so that the bullet connectors were easy to plug/unplug?
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Nope, not sure why I would want to either.. ? I can power the heli easily through the MB using a separate 4 cell NiMH battery with a servo plug on the end for making any adjustments.

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I'm not sure what problem you are having with the motor and ESC leads. The ESC goes in with the 3 motor leads closest to the motor and pushed up as far as it will go, the leads fold back underneath the ESC and the motor mount will limit how far the ESC can go up.

The ESC and Motor leads then just sit in front of the motor, I don't even need a tie strap to hold them, the wire is plenty stiff enough to keep them in place.
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Yep, that describes mine too.

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I'm not sure what problem you are having with the motor and ESC leads. The ESC goes in with the 3 motor leads closest to the motor and pushed up as far as it will go, the leads fold back underneath the ESC and the motor mount will limit how far the ESC can go up.

The ESC and Motor leads then just sit in front of the motor, I don't even need a tie strap to hold them, the wire is plenty stiff enough to keep them in place.
Same story for me actually wires just fold away nicely but to do this I did had to remove the bottom plate so I can have easy excess to the wires, overall my kit went together quiet well although it was missing a few parts
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:42 PM   #57
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Thanks for all the input on the ESC installation. Since I haven't done any soldering, and I don't have my FBL controller yet, she's just hanging on the wall currently. I still have yet to get to the specialty bolt store to get my 2x16 bolt for the tail grip. I've been twice, and they were closed both times. Oh well.

Thanks again!
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Just picked up an AR7200BX from the hobby store. Starting to thumb through the manual! I hope to have the Mini in the air by the end of the weekend.


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Sweet. Wish those were out at the time I was setting up my Mini P.

Set up is not difficult once you get down to it.

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Yeah, I didn't get around to doing anything this weekend. Was jam packed with family stuff, and everytime I looked at the heli, I just didn't feel like diving in.

To top things off, I can't find my bag of EC3 connectors, so no soldering either. What a lazy winter so far....
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