what is the best tail pitch slider? $$ not issue

vic7322 · 12-26-2011, 11:47 PM

Hey fellas, I have a tarot pro and a tail slope issue. I hav at least 5 degrees of slope on my tail. I think it's a factor of my tail wag. I am goin to replace bearings and new tail shaft but I hate the plastic slider bushing crap. Is the align stock slider the way to go or is everyone that fly those nice align helis upgrading theirs to a dual arm pitch slider and metal bell crank? Microheli any good? Some say it's crap and others say its good stuff. I hate to spend 35 bucks to find out it won't work for me.

Tamuflyer · 12-27-2011, 09:14 AM

This is in the non 450 pro section. The tail slop question seems to come up every couple of days:

http://www.helifreak.com/showpost.ph...66&postcount=6

For the record I have the G-Sun unit with top/bottom ball connections and its not at all "Slopless" but it helps.

The one in that image on that post above looks like it should be rock solid. I also think the one Curtis puts on the rave 450 would be too.

Luvmyhelis · 12-27-2011, 01:57 PM

Here is the problem. No single ball mounted slider will move without slop. And the tighter ones that come out are brass bushed. They roughly last about 100 flights before the brass starts to hog out and they begin to tip from end to end and chatter on the shaft. I have gone through several different versions of them. Same results. The only way to stabilize them is to have a dual support on the slider. Such as the one on the Microheli version or the G5 as shown below.

srt4tom · 12-27-2011, 02:56 PM

LMH, do you have a link to each of those?

vic7322 · 12-27-2011, 06:33 PM

That G5 tail setup looks rock solid. It looks like the g5 is the one I want to use. Is it all metal, even those little arms that connect to the tail blade holders? That is great, THanks!

Stevin · 12-27-2011, 06:48 PM

can the g5 tail be use on the 450 pro v2?, what has to be modded if anything?

vic7322 · 12-27-2011, 07:08 PM

I have the torque tube version, will i be able to take apart this tail assembly and use the align tail case with the g5 bearing holders that screw into the sides of the tail case. I want to make sure I get everything I need before. Thanks!

satgod · 12-27-2011, 08:22 PM

I use this on my torque tube and have 0 slop

http://www.hobby-wing.com/gsc078.html

Luvmyhelis · 12-28-2011, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srt4tom

LMH, do you have a link to each of those?

Sorry, I was in a hurry when I posted these up. They are both at HeliDirect. http://helidirect.com/rg50499-outrag...tem-p-7390.hdx
The G5 is going for $59 there and $99 everywhere else. There has been a huge demand for these as guys all over are getting fed up with Align and clone tail setups and are changing out to these. So I know for a certainty from talking to them that they are on B.O. I am waiting for two of them as we speak. I am going to rob the slider mech off one and supplant it into my Helihaven raised tail stretch project. The other is going on the tail of my stretch fbl SeV2 6s build.

Even the grips are fantastic. On all the trex and clone grips the design leaves slop in them, Even ceramics with the design have some slop. But the G5 grips have offset sized bearings that are placed farther apart into the grips. I run ceramic interior bearings and the grips are slop free and track spot on.

Satgod, nice link on that slider! I never saw these before until now.

Bravo52 · 12-28-2011, 08:57 AM

Speaking of tail slop, where can I get replacement collar screws and collar "B"s for the tail unit without having to buy a whole new unit....

I slung the screw and collar trying to loosen up the slider....

lcc014 · 12-28-2011, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luvmyhelis

Sorry, I was in a hurry when I posted these up. They are both at HeliDirect. http://helidirect.com/rg50499-outrag...tem-p-7390.hdx
The G5 is going for $59 there and $99 everywhere else. There has been a huge demand for these as guys all over are getting fed up with Align and clone tail setups and are changing out to these. So I know for a certainty from talking to them that they are on B.O. I am waiting for two of them as we speak. I am going to rob the slider mech off one and supplant it into my Helihaven raised tail stretch project. The other is going on the tail of my stretch fbl SeV2 6s build.

Even the grips are fantastic. On all the trex and clone grips the design leaves slop in them, Even ceramics with the design have some slop. But the G5 grips have offset sized bearings that are placed farther apart into the grips. I run ceramic interior bearings and the grips are slop free and track spot on.

Satgod, nice link on that slider! I never saw these before until now.

Hi, is the G5 a belt drive tail assembly or TT tail assembly ? If it is belt drive, how can we convert it to TT ?

Luvmyhelis · 12-28-2011, 12:43 PM

Yes, it is a belt conversion type tail. So far there only seems to be a few slider options that work. Sadly most are aimed at belt drive tail systems as they are far more prevalent. The conversion is a simple cakewalk. There are kits everywhere to do this on most sites that sell Align products or upgrades.

Tamuflyer · 12-29-2011, 10:14 AM

Satgod,

I got two of those and they only reduced slop, didnt get rid of it all for me with my TT 450.

Stickey · 12-30-2011, 04:40 PM

The microheli was cloned by HDX a LONG time ago. I had it on my first 450 heli - an HDX 450. V3 or something.

http://store01.prostores.com/servlet...HDX-450/Detail

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luvmyhelis

Here is the problem. No single ball mounted slider will move without slop. And the tighter ones that come out are brass bushed. They roughly last about 100 flights before the brass starts to hog out and they begin to tip from end to end and chatter on the shaft. I have gone through several different versions of them. Same results. The only way to stabilize them is to have a dual support on the slider. Such as the one on the Microheli version or the G5 as shown below.

Tamuflyer · 12-30-2011, 05:44 PM

Ok I have to say I stand at least partially corrected. I bought two of the G-Sun dual sliders and decided after reading other saying how great they are to install the second. There is pretty much no slop. Nothing is zero slop but its nearly all gone so I am quite happy with that.

I have emailed hobby-wing about this as the first only has 5 flights and is actually worse than when I installed it. We will see if they take care of it.

12-26-2011, 11:47 PM	#1
vic7322 Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Upper Marlboro	what is the best tail pitch slider? $$ not issue Hey fellas, I have a tarot pro and a tail slope issue. I hav at least 5 degrees of slope on my tail. I think it's a factor of my tail wag. I am goin to replace bearings and new tail shaft but I hate the plastic slider bushing crap. Is the align stock slider the way to go or is everyone that fly those nice align helis upgrading theirs to a dual arm pitch slider and metal bell crank? Microheli any good? Some say it's crap and others say its good stuff. I hate to spend 35 bucks to find out it won't work for me.

12-27-2011, 06:48 PM	#6
Stevin Registered Users Join Date: May 2011 Location: bronx , ny	can the g5 tail be use on the 450 pro v2?, what has to be modded if anything? __________________ Avant E-Aurora FBL Vbar 5.3pro / Trex 450 pro vbar 5.3pro/ Velocity50 Vbar 5.3pro / Trex 600efl PRO Flybarless vbar/CC HV80 / Brushless Blade MCPX / Outrage 550 VBAR5.2Pro/ICE100

12-27-2011, 08:22 PM	#8
satgod Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: USA,KY,Rineyville	I use this on my torque tube and have 0 slop http://www.hobby-wing.com/gsc078.html __________________ Trex 600EFL Pro V2 V-Bar ds610 ds650 cc pro bec Scorpion 130a HV KDE 600XF-530 450pro 1860kv(6s) cc50 (4 DS215MG) 10t pinion, Tarot DFC, Ikon TBS Discovery (Quad), naza-gps, 900mhz fpv, gopro2, ET OSD pro, D/L UHF X-8 Wing , D/L UHF Full fpv package

12-28-2011, 08:57 AM	#10
Bravo52 Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Breesiana	Speaking of tail slop, where can I get replacement collar screws and collar "B"s for the tail unit without having to buy a whole new unit.... I slung the screw and collar trying to loosen up the slider.... __________________ Bravo52 Jerry Little SR (aka Satin),T-Rex 450,T-Rex 600,T-Rex 700 3GX

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12-27-2011, 09:14 AM	#2
Tamuflyer Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: United States	This is in the non 450 pro section. The tail slop question seems to come up every couple of days: http://www.helifreak.com/showpost.ph...66&postcount=6 For the record I have the G-Sun unit with top/bottom ball connections and its not at all "Slopless" but it helps. The one in that image on that post above looks like it should be rock solid. I also think the one Curtis puts on the rave 450 would be too.

12-27-2011, 01:57 PM	#3
Luvmyhelis Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: spokane,washington	Here is the problem. No single ball mounted slider will move without slop. And the tighter ones that come out are brass bushed. They roughly last about 100 flights before the brass starts to hog out and they begin to tip from end to end and chatter on the shaft. I have gone through several different versions of them. Same results. The only way to stabilize them is to have a dual support on the slider. Such as the one on the Microheli version or the G5 as shown below.

12-27-2011, 02:56 PM	#4
srt4tom Registered Users Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA,TN,Humboldt	LMH, do you have a link to each of those?

12-27-2011, 06:33 PM	#5
vic7322 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Upper Marlboro	That G5 tail setup looks rock solid. It looks like the g5 is the one I want to use. Is it all metal, even those little arms that connect to the tail blade holders? That is great, THanks!

12-27-2011, 07:08 PM	#7
vic7322 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Upper Marlboro	I have the torque tube version, will i be able to take apart this tail assembly and use the align tail case with the g5 bearing holders that screw into the sides of the tail case. I want to make sure I get everything I need before. Thanks!

12-28-2011, 12:43 PM	#12
Luvmyhelis Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: spokane,washington	Yes, it is a belt conversion type tail. So far there only seems to be a few slider options that work. Sadly most are aimed at belt drive tail systems as they are far more prevalent. The conversion is a simple cakewalk. There are kits everywhere to do this on most sites that sell Align products or upgrades.

12-29-2011, 10:14 AM	#13
Tamuflyer Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: United States	Satgod, I got two of those and they only reduced slop, didnt get rid of it all for me with my TT 450.

12-30-2011, 05:44 PM	#15
Tamuflyer Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: United States	Ok I have to say I stand at least partially corrected. I bought two of the G-Sun dual sliders and decided after reading other saying how great they are to install the second. There is pretty much no slop. Nothing is zero slop but its nearly all gone so I am quite happy with that. I have emailed hobby-wing about this as the first only has 5 flights and is actually worse than when I installed it. We will see if they take care of it.