KDE 600XF-530 Rocks

[NRPY]

I use a Jive 80HV with KSA mode enabled. This combo is working really well so far. I've pulled over 6000W and 140A during some full collective maneuvers with this setup. Only downside is the motor runs hot. I've hit 190F and it isn't even summer yet.

[ncarbon]

I got some flights in today between the clouds and rain. Was easy on it for the first 2 batteries. Motor definitely seems stronger and smoother. I have a CC ICE2 HV80 on 4.01 firmware....settings are 16 PWM, 5 timing, 15 Gov Gain, and motor start strength is 59. The motor seems to be the same warmth as the 600MX to the touch. So far i am very pleased. It seems very smooth. I really like the 4 bearings in the motor idea...in all that is 5 bearings on the motor shaft.


Ned

[Scottyb410]

My CC went up in flames with those settings - very troubling. NRPY has the ticket! Seriously look at the Jive or the YGE.

Scotty

[ncarbon]

Sorry to hear about that Scotty....makes me worry. I must have 300+flights on the ICE2, and obviously only a few on it with the KDE motor.


Ned

[Scottyb410]

The motor was not the problem. It was the CC with me. The motor is very high-end and delivers more than promised.

[smsodhi]

I have had 6 flights so far with this motor on my 600 pro and WOW. Just love it. Unboggable and so much power. It really brings the heli to life. I just love it even more now. Now considering a KDE/ Quantum or 4525 motor for the Diabolo. The Pyro seems tame now. I have also ordered the bearing assembly upgrade as my one way bearing has started to slip again despite using L680.

Anyway fantastic upgrade.

[elvina gate]

how did you manage to fit the 530 motor without rubbing the servo on you 600efl, mine was rubbing the servo?

[Scottyb410]

I was using the KDE universal mount. Also, I was using the rubber mounts. I loosened the inboard mounting screws and tightened the ones closest to the motor - worked like a charm with lots of clearance.

Scotty

[ncarbon]

OK, so motor is good like it and am pleased......but damn it is hot, it was 85 here today and the motor was too hot to touch for any length of time. I did cut my canopy to allow more airflow....so I am using PWM is 12khz and timing is Normal - 5 on my Castle ICE2 HV120.... what have you guys done to cool her down?


Ned

[johnahamelv]

Originally Posted by ncarbon

OK, so motor is good like it and am pleased......but damn it is hot, it was 85 here today and the motor was too hot to touch for any length of time. I did cut my canopy to allow more airflow....so I am using PWM is 12khz and timing is Normal - 5 on my Castle ICE2 HV120.... what have you guys done to cool her down?


Ned

From what I understand, the KDE motor can withstand getting really hot, and not be affected. I remember reading about the motor being able to withstand above 450F without being permanently affected.

You have an adequate PWM, normal timing, and added airflow to the canopy. Next in line is to consider you collective and cyclic pitch range in relation to your throttle %, as well as any gear ratio modification if applicable. What are your values?

[ncarbon]

I am running the CC in set rpm mode, 2250.....+-12 of pitch. By the way, I did change my CutsOFFs to match yours....I had used RPM reduction just because I followed the setup example for the 600EFL as posted by Clint.


Ned

[ncarbon]

So is anyone running 12PWM and low timing? Just curious how things performed? Did it run any cooler?



Ned

[KDE Direct]

Originally Posted by ncarbon

So is anyone running 12PWM and low timing? Just curious how things performed? Did it run any cooler?

Ned

Hey Ned,

In our internal testing, low-timing appears to drop temperatures 10-20F from the running temperatures of mid-timing. In addition, contrary to standard belief (primarily from RC Airplanes), low timing generates higher-torque and higher-efficiency in governor mode (ideal for RC Helicopters) and is definitely noticeable in-flight. Had to turn up the collective pre-torque compensation on the tail to prevent kickouts when changing to low timing, as well as superior sustained headspeed in tick-tocks and other hard maneuvers.

For the motor temperatures, the KDE600XF-530 is a very high-performance motor (capability of a 700-class brushless), stuffed into a small footprint motor for a drop-in fit to the 600EFL. Because of the small footprint, the thermal mass heats up faster than usual, but not during the actual flight. The running temperature of the motor is in the 120F-150F range during flight from the efficiency fan design, but rises fast the second the motor is shutdown (and the copper releases it's heat into the can). No worries on temperatures, the motor is rated to above 350F before any drop in magnetic fields and 700F before damage will occur, so it's dang tough.

[ncarbon]

I read your new performance setup and changed to low timing, running well. I have vented the canopy as well.....

Ned

[stunks]

I have just bought the kde 600 530 motor for my 600e pro, now what i wanted to know is am running the v bar gov so do i need to set up the gov again or just plug up and play

[KDE Direct]

Originally Posted by stunks

I have just bought the kde 600 530 motor for my 600e pro, now what i wanted to know is am running the v bar gov so do i need to set up the gov again or just plug up and play

I responded to your e-mail as well, same answer.

The motor should essentially be plug-and-play for you with the VBAR Governor, shouldn’t be much you need to change. The increased torque capability of the motor may cause the tail to kick or any other effects on the helicopter, so you may need to dial the gain to match your own preferences, but it shouldn’t be much. From some internal testing, a setting of 30 seemed to be optimal on the motor, but that’s just our initial starting point and it worked great (not much tweaking from there).

[stunks]

Another question please! Would the CC 80HV be ok to use with the 600XF 530 motor. Thanks


Johnshrinks

[frito169]

Originally Posted by KDE Direct

Hey Ned,

In our internal testing, low-timing appears to drop temperatures 10-20F from the running temperatures of mid-timing. In addition, contrary to standard belief (primarily from RC Airplanes), low timing generates higher-torque and higher-efficiency in governor mode (ideal for RC Helicopters) and is definitely noticeable in-flight. Had to turn up the collective pre-torque compensation on the tail to prevent kickouts when changing to low timing, as well as superior sustained headspeed in tick-tocks and other hard maneuvers.

For the motor temperatures, the KDE600XF-530 is a very high-performance motor (capability of a 700-class brushless), stuffed into a small footprint motor for a drop-in fit to the 600EFL. Because of the small footprint, the thermal mass heats up faster than usual, but not during the actual flight. The running temperature of the motor is in the 120F-150F range during flight from the efficiency fan design, but rises fast the second the motor is shutdown (and the copper releases it's heat into the can). No worries on temperatures, the motor is rated to above 350F before any drop in magnetic fields and 700F before damage will occur, so it's dang tough.

So on my 700xf495's should I put my timing to 0? My choices are 0,6,12,18,24 and 30. YGE120HV.

[KDE Direct]

Originally Posted by stunks

Another question please! Would the CC 80HV be ok to use with the 600XF 530 motor. Thanks

Johnshrinks

Yes, no problem running the CC ICE2 HV80 with the motor under most flying styles. Just watch your temps on the ESC and if you start getting above 210F or so in the Data Log, then your flying style is hard enough to look into upgrading to the ICE2 HV120 to handle the power.

Adding cutouts to the canopy to vent heat from the motor and ESC is also highly beneficial to prevent temperature issues, as the stock canopy tends to trap heat directly in the ESC area during flight.

[stunks]

I have a little problem so am going to try and explain the the very best that i can, I have recently bought the new 600xf 530 motor for my 600e pro, i am running the v bar 5.3 with 105 align tail blades, radix 600 main blades and opit power 3500 mah lipo along with the v bar gov and CC 80 hv esc.

I have hooked up ever thing and went for text flight and i must say i do love the motor its alot quieter and way more powerful but i have come up against some problems witch is a bad tail oscillation when i do full pitch up and pitch down, i have copy ur power set up from the kde web site and it hasn't help! I have increase and decrease the pre comp as low as 0 and as high as 70 and to me it seems t work best around 40 but not great, lets say am doing a tail slid the tail oscillate really bad, but let me just add quickly before i put the motor i was using the align 600mx motor and i have never experience anything like this until u put the kde motor in. also in inverted climb out its really bad also, i have also increase the cyclic pre comp but the heli did some crazy shit i didn't like so i put it back at stock(9).

my tail gain that am using is 65 bank 0,70 bank 1,75 bank 2 (forget to mention that am also using banks 1,2 and 3) i have also try increasing the gain and it just made it worse, i also decrease it to as low as 50 bank 0 and it was not really holding very well, so the gain settings that i have at the moment seems to work good any higher than 75 its not good.
My P and I gain is set at 75 and that's where i have always run it ever since with no issues, the v bar gov gain is set in banks also with is 25 bank 0, 30 bank 1 and 35 bank 2 again this was the stock gain i ran with the align motor, i did try to increase and decrease the gov gain but doesn't seems to have any effect.

At the moment am stuck and not sure where to g from here so any help would be grateful thanks