help! i cant get the tail to hold

codfish124 · 05-02-2012, 01:30 PM

I just got the new FBL mini titan im useing the gt5 and savox servos.. after a hard learning curve im startting to figor this thing out....

cyclic seems to be ok now from what i can test on it since my tail keeps kicking. is there some way to ajust the gain of the tail?? or is it all done with the P and I thing cause on my 8fg it the same wether im at 0% or 100% nothings changeing. pleas help thanks

mrultralite · 05-03-2012, 12:45 AM

You just have to experiment, specific advise won't work cause they are all different. Ihad to change my tail settings just with different mains.

codfish124 · 05-04-2012, 11:07 AM

is there to high of a p setting.... can i get it to wag then bring it down??? cause with 110 on the p setting it still very soft and seems to be hunting

mrultralite · 05-04-2012, 02:52 PM

I dunno , just experiment, you can run the whole range and it stays flyable. I found i had to turn P down to 20- 30 , Zero 'I' made the tail drift.

ady · 05-04-2012, 03:40 PM

you could try turning off the D-sense on the tail in the GT5 , i run mine at zero , with high P value , she be solid

codfish124 · 05-05-2012, 11:34 AM

thanks gonna give it another go

codfish124 · 05-05-2012, 12:25 PM

better.... still very unflyabule.... the tail after like 30 sec will not stop and drift all over..... another question the pitch seems slugish it might just be the heli... i think im gonna put on a micro beast and try it out that way to besure its not the heli.

ady · 05-05-2012, 03:36 PM

you could check the tail trim slider on the front of your radio , we had this at the field on another heli , it was only one click from centre , that made the tail piro slowly , once centered and reset , all was fine , good luck

NitroAl · 05-06-2012, 02:11 AM

What did you set the dead band at? If you have left it at default then try 10.

codfish124 · 05-10-2012, 11:37 AM

the dead band is set at 5 seemed to help. and its not a slow piro it will just kick left and right at random

Oilsands · 05-10-2012, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codfish124

I just got the new FBL mini titan im useing the gt5 and savox servos.. after a hard learning curve im startting to figor this thing out....

cyclic seems to be ok now from what i can test on it since my tail keeps kicking. is there some way to ajust the gain of the tail?? or is it all done with the P and I thing cause on my 8fg it the same wether im at 0% or 100% nothings changeing. pleas help thanks

Yes there is a Total gain that you can adjust via your Tx (gyro gain) but the P and I for the tail also comes into play from what I understand about this unit.
Put the gain (gyro) setting on a switch set for 60 and 100 (numbers on the screen of the GT-5), that way while in the air you can switch to 100 and see if the heli starts swinging. If it does just flip it back to 60 and it should go back to the way it was flying before switching.
Another thing do is set the Tail stick dynamic (under Stick menu) to 50.
P/I menu, set both of your P,s (tail and swash to 70), then set the I's to 60. Put the D-Sens for the tail at 35 and I-dyn for the tail at 45-50.

Give that a try and let us know the results.
I am new to this unit as well, so all this info was taken off the manual but hope it helps you out.
I also read about the suggestion of putting the D-sens to 0 for the tail.
What is your Intensity of filter set at? The manual is wrong and should be 0=least filtering and 5=most filtering. You can try setting that up around 4 if not there alreay (found under the Sensor Menu).

swalko · 05-11-2012, 02:02 AM

Sorry, but your answer is only shot in dark and probably it will make everything worse

. Mess with more parameters at once and clearly without G-T5 knowledge will lead you only to bigger troubles ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by codfish124

the dead band is set at 5 seemed to help. and its not a slow piro it will just kick left and right at random

This seems like mechanical problem.

Oilsands · 05-11-2012, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oilsands

Yes there is a Total gain that you can adjust via your Tx (gyro gain) but the P and I for the tail also comes into play from what I understand about this unit.
Put the gain (gyro) setting on a switch set for 60 and 100 (numbers on the screen of the GT-5), that way while in the air you can switch to 100 and see if the heli starts swinging. If it does just flip it back to 60 and it should go back to the way it was flying before switching.
Another thing do is set the Tail stick dynamic (under Stick menu) to 50.
P/I menu, set both of your P,s (tail and swash to 70), then set the I's to 60. Put the D-Sens for the tail at 35 and I-dyn for the tail at 45-50.

Give that a try and let us know the results.
I am new to this unit as well, so all this info was taken off the manual but hope it helps you out.
I also read about the suggestion of putting the D-sens to 0 for the tail.
What is your Intensity of filter set at? The manual is wrong and should be 0=least filtering and 5=most filtering. You can try setting that up around 4 if not there alreay (found under the Sensor Menu).

I got the filtering incorrect, 0 is most filtering and 5 is least filtering.
I got all the info off the manual and they are the suggested starting settings. It was just suggestions.

codfish124 · 05-11-2012, 03:59 PM

What happens if I set the d-sen to high..... Also the pitch seems to nevertheless soft..... Like there's some sort of EXPO in it that's makeing this hole thing much worse to fly

Oilsands · 05-11-2012, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codfish124

What happens if I set the d-sen to high..... Also the pitch seems to nevertheless soft..... Like there's some sort of EXPO in it that's makeing this hole thing much worse to fly

What is your Pitch & Agility settings at for the Elevator and Aileron? If they are not at 100, that may help setting them to that.

What is your total gain at (number on the GT-5 unit)?

codfish124 · 05-11-2012, 11:05 PM

Total gain is like 97 and i havent had a chance to change any of the other settings just need the tail to hold so i can get a feel for it

Oilsands · 05-12-2012, 12:36 AM

What is your P and I settings for the tail?

"If the tail is swinging or seesawing the P may be too high, if it is too low the tail will not hold its position and not feel crispy but a bit unstable. Too start with the I should be set 10 points lower than the P setting." Suggestion from the manual is start at P=40 and I=30, then adjust from there.

swalko · 05-12-2012, 04:41 PM

On small ships P is usually little lower than I. On my 450 tail P/I = 55/60 and tail is holding really great.

Falcorma · 05-15-2012, 06:50 AM

Make sure your tail assembly is absolutely 100% tight and together. One loose hex bolt caused my to to was on any setting I tried. Lock tight is your friend here

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Falcorma · 05-15-2012, 06:50 AM

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05-02-2012, 01:30 PM	#1
codfish124 My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US colorado lakewood	help! i cant get the tail to hold I just got the new FBL mini titan im useing the gt5 and savox servos.. after a hard learning curve im startting to figor this thing out.... cyclic seems to be ok now from what i can test on it since my tail keeps kicking. is there some way to ajust the gain of the tail?? or is it all done with the P and I thing cause on my 8fg it the same wether im at 0% or 100% nothings changeing. pleas help thanks

05-06-2012, 02:11 AM	#9
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Falcorma Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Floral City, FL	Make sure your tail assembly is absolutely 100% tight and together. One loose hex bolt caused my to to was on any setting I tried. Lock tight is your friend here Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ PRÔTOS....a better way to fly To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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05-03-2012, 12:45 AM	#2
mrultralite Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Abbotsford BC canada	You just have to experiment, specific advise won't work cause they are all different. Ihad to change my tail settings just with different mains.

05-04-2012, 11:07 AM	#3
codfish124 Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US colorado lakewood	is there to high of a p setting.... can i get it to wag then bring it down??? cause with 110 on the p setting it still very soft and seems to be hunting

05-04-2012, 02:52 PM	#4
mrultralite Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Abbotsford BC canada	I dunno , just experiment, you can run the whole range and it stays flyable. I found i had to turn P down to 20- 30 , Zero 'I' made the tail drift.

05-04-2012, 03:40 PM	#5
ady Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: norwich , norfolk , uk	you could try turning off the D-sense on the tail in the GT5 , i run mine at zero , with high P value , she be solid

05-05-2012, 11:34 AM	#6
codfish124 Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US colorado lakewood	thanks gonna give it another go

05-05-2012, 12:25 PM	#7
codfish124 Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US colorado lakewood	better.... still very unflyabule.... the tail after like 30 sec will not stop and drift all over..... another question the pitch seems slugish it might just be the heli... i think im gonna put on a micro beast and try it out that way to besure its not the heli.

05-05-2012, 03:36 PM	#8
ady Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: norwich , norfolk , uk	you could check the tail trim slider on the front of your radio , we had this at the field on another heli , it was only one click from centre , that made the tail piro slowly , once centered and reset , all was fine , good luck

05-10-2012, 11:37 AM	#10
codfish124 Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US colorado lakewood	the dead band is set at 5 seemed to help. and its not a slow piro it will just kick left and right at random

05-11-2012, 03:59 PM	#14
codfish124 Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US colorado lakewood	What happens if I set the d-sen to high..... Also the pitch seems to nevertheless soft..... Like there's some sort of EXPO in it that's makeing this hole thing much worse to fly

05-11-2012, 11:05 PM	#16
codfish124 Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US colorado lakewood	Total gain is like 97 and i havent had a chance to change any of the other settings just need the tail to hold so i can get a feel for it

05-12-2012, 12:36 AM	#17
Oilsands Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Canada	What is your P and I settings for the tail? "If the tail is swinging or seesawing the P may be too high, if it is too low the tail will not hold its position and not feel crispy but a bit unstable. Too start with the I should be set 10 points lower than the P setting." Suggestion from the manual is start at P=40 and I=30, then adjust from there.

05-12-2012, 04:41 PM	#18
swalko Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Slovakia	On small ships P is usually little lower than I. On my 450 tail P/I = 55/60 and tail is holding really great.