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Old 10-03-2007, 06:13 PM   #1
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Default Rotorworkz FCS Frame Conversion for Guai

OK Fella's here it is

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Rotorworkz FCS Frame kit

Note This is the prototype frame conversion for Guai Hurricane shown with a Flight power 6s1p 3300 Evo 20 it slides in with plenty of room to spare!

Here is a list of some Features
Rotorworkz design adjustable motor mount with cooling fins
Servo layout change for Aileron and pitch
New Aileron and pitch ball raced bell cranks
Composite frame doubler for extra Stiffness
Stacked frame design allows extra room for many battery choices and component layout
ESC tray with Velcro and zip tie slots
Gyro Tray with Velcro strap slots
All Light weight CNC Aluminum bearing blocks, boom blocks, Landing gear mounts
Break away Canopy tabs

well..... you guys look it over
also notice stock plastic frame next to my frame for comparison general weight diffrence
my frame in G-10 with aluminum parts is 20grams lighter that stock plastic no bearings no screws

Price is not set yet but it will be cheaper than other frames even in CF
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:35 PM   #2
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Wow! I really like it and I am glad I waited.How soon ?Will a FP 6s 3700 slide in there?
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:04 PM   #3
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Saaawwwweeeetttt!!

Let us know when we can get it!

Can I stack my old 3s1p 2200's on top of each other in the battery tray, until I work my way up to 6s?

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Old 10-03-2007, 09:37 PM   #4
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AWESOME Charlie! Lookin good baby.... This is what I have been waiting for to get my hurri flyin again

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Old 10-03-2007, 09:58 PM   #5
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Wow! I really like it and I am glad I waited.How soon ?Will a FP 6s 3700 slide in there?
Here is approx bay area specs 48mm tall x 49.5mm wide

I will post when they become available I am doing final touch up stuff then into production

Thanks Bob, this frame did come out nice!

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Old 10-03-2007, 10:36 PM   #6
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sweet! so from the dimensions it should fit a 6s 3700 pack. Finless you gotta get us a review and video. I been waiting to upgrade my hurricane. Now may the time to get this heli back in the game!
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:10 AM   #7
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Nice... looks like two HXT 5S2300s should fit side by side and on their sides.

My only concern / question is how well it will roll. Having the battery weight slung relatively low has to impact rolls a little?
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:37 AM   #8
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Looks nice, but how will the CP workout? The stock is balanced with the packs far forward, so when you put these under the main shaft, won´t that effect the CP?

Will the stock canopy fit this frame?

Anyway, nice job! Will you produce it in G10? Price?
I belive this frame will be great for all thoose people who want to upgrade to 580mm blades as well. And, alot lighter then TREX600 as well.
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:26 AM   #9
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Wow MAN!!!! It is really COOL!!!!!
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:59 PM   #10
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Looks nice man.... It also looks like it will make find the CG for the PACK (S) a lot easier. I think once i get back to the states im gonna pick one up and upgrade to a 6s configuration.
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:06 PM   #11
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that is just simply awesome charley!!!!! i can't wait to get myself one, in fact if you want to sell that prototype i'll take it

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Old 10-04-2007, 04:19 PM   #12
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me too, he should sell the prototype on ebay

I have never liked the battery tray on the stock Hurricane, this seems so nice. I hope there will be an option for smaller servos also (9650).
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Old 10-04-2007, 05:24 PM   #13
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I see a video in my future

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Old 10-05-2007, 02:41 AM   #14
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Hi Charlie,
Nice frame!!!
But Looking carefuly I've got one question:

Why did you make additional hole for boom support? It makes the rear part of the frame weaker, instead you can use existing lover or upper bolts
just IMHO

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Old 10-05-2007, 03:44 AM   #15
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I agree. Also moving the boom support to the higher position would make it very easy to put in batteries without removing the canopy
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:50 AM   #16
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Hey Charlie,

that's really a great design. As I'm user of A123 cells, I have one concern about the size of battery bay.
You gave the size of 48mm tall x 49.5mm wide. The diameter of a A123 cell is 26mm, which means, if I make a pack of 4 cells beside each other, I need space of at least 52mm (55 to have space for placement, including shrink foil, fixing tape and balancing/power cords).

Is there any chance to make the bay little bigger?

Thanks, Karsten
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:51 AM   #17
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I'm in a very similar situation to Kalle660.

Charlie,

I love the frame, but it doesn't do me much good in the battery deparment. I would like to maybe eventually end up with a 6s setup, and am really interested in trying A123. But for right now I have several matched sets of 2200's, and in measuring them last night there isn't enough room to stack on top of each other in 48mm, and on edge I would need 56mm, for my tallest packs.

I know you can't please everyone in designing products. But I, like many (i think) would like to upgrade to a frame like this but have several hundred dollars already invested in 3s packs. It would be nice to be able to use my existing packs until I can afford to upgrade the power system.

Could you maybe offer a spacer kit for the lower frames that would allow us the wide battery option?

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Hey Charlie,

that's really a great design. As I'm user of A123 cells, I have one concern about the size of battery bay.
You gave the size of 48mm tall x 49.5mm wide. The diameter of a A123 cell is 26mm, which means, if I make a pack of 4 cells beside each other, I need space of at least 52mm (55 to have space for placement, including shrink foil, fixing tape and balancing/power cords).

Is there any chance to make the bay little bigger?

Thanks, Karsten
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:47 AM   #18
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Thanks guys for your comments makes designing these things more fun as my hobby>

As for opening the battery bay I will look into it. I think adding spacers is easy alternative at this point, I would like to consider making correct size parts but problem thus far is jigs and fixtures are made for the landing gear mount. So...... I will need to discuss with machine shop if it is possible to make changes without changing fixtures I do want this to be the one stop frame I will give my best to try and address all of your needs! But I do have to consider cost $$$ of these changes


Piranha,

I like your input so I made the change doing so allows removal of extra unneeded hardware thank for your input!

Also below is a picture showing approximate dimensions you have in battery bay hope you can see them
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:38 PM   #19
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yeah i'd like to put in A123's in double shotgun style packs too, but i figured i'd manage to do that myself as i have some cf sheet that i was planning to use along with some spacers and some small metric bolts to enlarge the battery tray to 55x55mm

charley if you can make these changes to the kit that would be even better but if they can't do it without modifying the jigs it shouldn't be that hard for most of us to modify it to suit

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Old 10-06-2007, 12:47 AM   #20
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Well just adding fuel to the A123 fire. I was hoping these frames would simplify A123 on the H550 but as they stand, they make it impossible and the stock plastic frame is better.

Shotgun packs need approx 30 x 56 x 210mm (for 6s, 280mm for 7s-8s)
Slab packs need approx 30 x 70 x 164mm (for 6s, 191mm for 7s, 218m for 8s)
Brick packs need approx 56 x 70 x 83 (for 6s, 110mm for 7s-8s, 137mm for 9s-10s
Triangle packs need approx 56 x 52 x 140mm (for 6s, 210mm for 7-9s)

Of these configurations, widening the lower frame will still only allow for shotgun packs at the most due to the height restriction of 39-48mm. If the lower frames could be made just a 5mm taller that would allow triangle packs to fit in the tallest front section which is currently 48 x 49.5 x 150mm. I think that would allow, for example, the existing 7s A123 packs to fit with the skinny "nose" pointing to the rear into the shorter area.

I also think a design that excludes the use of a pair of popular 3s packs is disappointing. Consider these dimensions of some popular packs:
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-----------     --      ----    --------------------    -----------
Brand           #S      mAh           1-pack             2-packs
                                H       W       L       H       W
-----------     --      ----    --------------------    -----------
MaxAmps         3       2100    24      34      98      48      34
FlightPower     3       2100    21      34      113     42      34
FlightPower     3       2170    24      36      112     48      36
Hextronic       3       2200    25      34      101     50      34
AirThunder      3       2200    30      37      113     60      37
FlightPower     3       2500    27      34      110     54      34
MaxAmps         3       3300    34      55      66      68      55
FlightPower     3       3300    19      44      142     38      44
-----------     --      ----    --------------------    -----------
FlightPower     4       1800    31      30      106     62      30
FlightPower     4       2100    27      44      123     54      44
FlightPower     4       2500    34      35      111     68      35
-----------     --      ----    --------------------    -----------
Polyquest       6       2500    46      44      121
FlightPower     6       3300    38      44      142
FlightPower     6       3700    42      44      142
-----------     --      ----    --------------------    -----------
It's just a quick round-up of some popular packs (no flames about TP being missing, I didn't have the figures to hand). Most of those cannot be used 2-up in the frame as it is currently.

If you are unable to accommodate these configurations I am sure the frame will still be popular, but not as an upgrade to most folks with existing investment in 3s packs (or 7s A123) and will really only be suited to those looking to move to (and fund) a single LiPo pack solution.

Thanks for sharing your progress with us and considering our feedback.
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