Align New 3D swashplate & washout control

tungym · 11-03-2007, 06:16 AM

Without careful inspection, I find the new version is just ~10g lighter. Someone may not be interested in the weight reduction. I found the new washout has almost zero slop (though it is aluminium but not copper, hence theroretically a faster wear). The new washout arm must be used with the new swashplate. Why?

The secret is that the new swashplate has the inner swash 1mm thicker and the central ball is protruding 1mm higher. I finally find out the new design makes the central ball in the same axis as the 4 swash balls. This is very important as the old version swashplate central ball has eccentric axis with the 4 swash balls. the washout arm (the plastic arm) will wobble as the swashplate tilt (as they are not in the same axis). The wobble will cause the washout impringe on the main shaft and cause binding on pitch input.

The downside of the new swashplate is that it is 1mm thicker and on high pitch setting it may hit the central hub guiding pin. I have to shorten the pin 1mm to accomodate +/-14.5 deg pitch.

Jason Bell · 11-03-2007, 10:39 AM

The stock swashplates hit the pins as it is already :wink:

Nice write up on the upgrade:wink:

wren1702 · 11-03-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tungym

Without careful inspection, I find the new version is just ~10g lighter. Someone may not be interested in the weight reduction. I found the new washout has almost zero slop (though it is aluminium but not copper, hence theroretically a faster wear). The new washout arm must be used with the new swashplate. Why?

The secret is that the new swashplate has the inner swash 1mm thicker and the central ball is protruding 1mm higher. I finally find out the new design makes the central ball in the same axis as the 4 swash balls. This is very important as the old version swashplate central ball has eccentric axis with the 4 swash balls. the washout arm (the plastic arm) will wobble as the swashplate tilt (as they are not in the same axis). The wobble will cause the washout impringe on the main shaft and cause binding on pitch input.

The downside of the new swashplate is that it is 1mm thicker and on high pitch setting it may hit the central hub guiding pin. I have to shorten the pin 1mm to accomodate +/-14.5 deg pitch.

I installed the same setup on one of our 600Es and had to shorten the pins as well.

Mike3DPro · 11-04-2007, 01:26 AM

I asked about it when I was at assurance the other day and the guy said they were HOT anodized, so that they won't wear as fast, said it makes them wear at about same rate as steel. IDK about that though, in my experience, anodizing comes off rather easily.

cbdane · 11-04-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike3DPro

I asked about it when I was at assurance the other day and the guy said they were HOT anodized, so that they won't wear as fast, said it makes them wear at about same rate as steel.

Are you sure he didn't say "hard" anodized? Hard anodized coatings give aluminum a characteristic gray to greenish brown color (depending on the specific aluminum alloy) and it is an extremely hard and durable surface treatment. It is different from standard anodizing in which the color is given by organic dyes entrained in the oxide coating. The ball in my new swash looks hard anodized to me.

Mike3DPro · 11-04-2007, 12:39 PM

Well, actually I think he said hot but he may have meant to say hard. I was thinking what is heat going to do to help at the time. I do hear things wrong from time to time - so IDK.

Nevertheless - He said it is supposed to wear more slowly than a "untreated" aluminum ball. Cuz I said right then and there as soon as he said it was aluminum - "Doesn't aluminum wear quicker?" Then he explained it to me.

Bottom line - Align should put a small description about how a "NEW" part is different than an old - all they put is NEW!

Pinecone · 11-04-2007, 05:13 PM

It does sound like hard anodizing, versus the soft color anodizing used to, well, make stuff in various colors

Hard anodizing is used to reduce wear.

Filby · 11-04-2007, 07:26 PM

So I heard that this new swash fixes some phasing issues on the 600N. Can anyone comment on this?

erniefritz · 11-05-2007, 04:51 PM

there were no phasing issues with the old swash...

Filby · 11-05-2007, 04:53 PM

I believe that I have phasing issues on the old swash. The heli noses up in a roll and from all the reading i have done this is highly characteristic of phasing problem.

TMoore · 11-05-2007, 10:49 PM

http://www.fortwayneanodizing.com/01.../hard_coat.htm
http://www.fortwayneanodizing.com/01.../anodizing.htm

If the Swashplate was made of the right alloy, anodizing wouldn't be a huge factor.

TM

Y@nkee · 11-06-2007, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Filby

So I heard that this new swash fixes some phasing issues on the 600N. Can anyone comment on this?

How can a swash make any changes to the phasing?
If there are some phase correcting on this set, wouldnt that be in the washoutbase?

Dont got a 600n yet, but i do got one on its way from Rchover ,and i did order this set with it.
So when i get it, i can tell if there are anything done to the phasing with this upgrade.

Cant wait for this thing to get here

11-03-2007, 06:16 AM	#1
tungym Registered Users Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: HONG KONG	Align New 3D swashplate & washout control Without careful inspection, I find the new version is just ~10g lighter. Someone may not be interested in the weight reduction. I found the new washout has almost zero slop (though it is aluminium but not copper, hence theroretically a faster wear). The new washout arm must be used with the new swashplate. Why? The secret is that the new swashplate has the inner swash 1mm thicker and the central ball is protruding 1mm higher. I finally find out the new design makes the central ball in the same axis as the 4 swash balls. This is very important as the old version swashplate central ball has eccentric axis with the 4 swash balls. the washout arm (the plastic arm) will wobble as the swashplate tilt (as they are not in the same axis). The wobble will cause the washout impringe on the main shaft and cause binding on pitch input. The downside of the new swashplate is that it is 1mm thicker and on high pitch setting it may hit the central hub guiding pin. I have to shorten the pin 1mm to accomodate +/-14.5 deg pitch.

11-03-2007, 10:39 AM	#2
Jason Bell Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chico, Ca	The stock swashplates hit the pins as it is already :wink: Nice write up on the upgrade:wink: __________________ Avant RC Factory Pilot / A Main Hobbies Customer Service. Representing: Team Avant,A Main Hobbies, YS Engines, Edge Blades, Thunder Power RC, Scorpion Power Systems, Spektrum RC, Aerospire RC, Insane Canopy, Castle Creations

11-04-2007, 01:26 AM	#4
Mike3DPro Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern California, in a traffic jam	I asked about it when I was at assurance the other day and the guy said they were HOT anodized, so that they won't wear as fast, said it makes them wear at about same rate as steel. IDK about that though, in my experience, anodizing comes off rather easily. __________________ T-rex 700E V-BAR V2-B Tail, DFC Head system, Outrage 9188 tail, 610's, Quantum 4530-500, slant gear. Scorpion Commander V 130A with SBEC, Running V-Bar gov - the best governor combo ever. Maiden Flight: 6/5/2010 - Still on stock frame & blades in 2012.

11-04-2007, 12:39 PM	#6
Mike3DPro Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern California, in a traffic jam	Well, actually I think he said hot but he may have meant to say hard. I was thinking what is heat going to do to help at the time. I do hear things wrong from time to time - so IDK. Nevertheless - He said it is supposed to wear more slowly than a "untreated" aluminum ball. Cuz I said right then and there as soon as he said it was aluminum - "Doesn't aluminum wear quicker?" Then he explained it to me. Bottom line - Align should put a small description about how a "NEW" part is different than an old - all they put is NEW! __________________ T-rex 700E V-BAR V2-B Tail, DFC Head system, Outrage 9188 tail, 610's, Quantum 4530-500, slant gear. Scorpion Commander V 130A with SBEC, Running V-Bar gov - the best governor combo ever. Maiden Flight: 6/5/2010 - Still on stock frame & blades in 2012.

11-04-2007, 05:13 PM	#7
Pinecone Registered Users Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Maryland	It does sound like hard anodizing, versus the soft color anodizing used to, well, make stuff in various colors Hard anodizing is used to reduce wear. __________________ Terry AMA#47402, IRCHA # 3395 Blade CP "Pro", Trex 450SE, PiccoZ, Quick of Japan EP8v2 EX, Hurricane 550, Hurricane 200, JR Vibe 50, Blade mCX, Bergen Intrepid Gasser, Pantera 50, Blade mSR, Novus CP

11-04-2007, 07:26 PM	#8
Filby Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia	So I heard that this new swash fixes some phasing issues on the 600N. Can anyone comment on this?

11-05-2007, 04:51 PM	#9
erniefritz Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Florida	there were no phasing issues with the old swash...

11-05-2007, 04:53 PM	#10
Filby Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia	I believe that I have phasing issues on the old swash. The heli noses up in a roll and from all the reading i have done this is highly characteristic of phasing problem.

11-05-2007, 10:49 PM	#11
TMoore Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cookeville, TN	http://www.fortwayneanodizing.com/01.../hard_coat.htm http://www.fortwayneanodizing.com/01.../anodizing.htm If the Swashplate was made of the right alloy, anodizing wouldn't be a huge factor. TM

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