Improving Figure of Eights in sim.

geoff200 · 05-25-2008, 06:48 PM

I am trying to perfect my figure of eight maneovers in the Phoenix sim. I have a long way to go.

Does anyone have any tips to help ensure that the turns are well executed?

I sometimes find myself flying sideways through part of the turn. Sometimes l come perilously close to the ground or shoot up too high, usually after the apex of the turn. Perhaps I should post a phoenix clip, so you tell me where I am going wrong - you could probably write pages lol.

Cheers Geoff.

brolley · 05-25-2008, 06:56 PM

Geoff, I find that backing off the power slightly just when you enter the turn helps, add equal amounts of aileron and rudder,then feed in power and drop the nose as you exit. Hope this helps, I don't have a sim!

Rick Rotorhead · 05-25-2008, 08:12 PM

Too much rudder (tail) in a turn will make the turn finish higher and make the heli skid around sideways a bit like a car doing a handbrake turn. Too little tail make the boom drop and the heli drop on its side, coming out of the turn (hopefully) lower then it went in and often needing a little opposite aileron cyclic to prevent over banking.
Bottom line - too much tail is better then too little. tail control generally leads the turn too, by a half a second'ish.

Tip - notice the boom during the turn - aim to make it stay parallel with the horizon - works every time......

I enjoy deliberatly oversteering with the tail, to get that oversteer, handbrake turn, effect. Looks good when combined with a drop in collective for a kind of Helter Skelter descending half turn down to a full stop. Give it a try!!!!!

DominicD · 05-25-2008, 08:34 PM

Get your ass back on the sim with us ..... damn British people.

Rick Rotorhead · 05-25-2008, 08:40 PM

What Ass HFG?
Do you mean a Mule perhaps?
BTW the Op IS using a sim.............

geoff200 · 05-25-2008, 08:47 PM

I thought you guys were hiding from me - theres never a helifreak session whenever I look lol.

DominicD · 05-25-2008, 08:47 PM

Geoff has simmed with us on several occasions. Last time i saw him i was helping him out with stationary flips. The large time difference makes it hard for him to fly with us tho .... but thats not dang excuse

Rick Rotorhead · 05-25-2008, 08:52 PM

Ah ha! I get it - your talking about this 'On-line' Co-Op mode I've heard about arn't you.

Soz guys - i'd love to be there too, but I'm on Reflex XTR - which doesn't support - er, anything..................

BTW - I'm aiming to have ALL the current post finishing with 'last poster' Rick Rotorhead.........

Only a couple of hundred replies left to go then
Mu ha ha.........

geoff200 · 05-25-2008, 08:56 PM

You can order online from the Co-op now!, I thought it was only Tesco's lol.

See just tried moments ago - no-one from anywhere in the world, not even Deepest Darkest Peru!

Why is that? its so irritating!

slotcars · 05-25-2008, 10:32 PM

geoff ,Ive said this before that rabbit cracks me up.I also think your phoenix heli paint scheme is kick azz

geoff200 · 05-26-2008, 05:14 AM

Thanks Slotcars, glad you found it funny. Hows your simming?

markb · 05-26-2008, 08:39 AM

Rudder coordination. With just the right amount of rudder, you can fly around in circles with NO aileron input after rolling in. Too much rudder, and your back elevator will roll you out of the turn. Too little rudder, and your back elevator will roll further into the turn. If you're finishing in a climb, you're using too much rudder... going round the turn in a "skid".

Acrodave · 05-26-2008, 08:40 AM

[QUOTE=Rick Rotorhead;690803]
Bottom line - too much tail is better then too little.

Amen....... Oh ...... are we talking about heli's here???

Dave

geoff200 · 05-26-2008, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HFG: Geoff has simmed with us on several occasions. Last time i saw him i was helping him out with stationary flips. The large time difference makes it hard for him to fly with us tho .... but thats not dang excuse

__________________
I maybe wrong, but i doubt it.

Yes that was pretty cool - I wish I could play that over again to see your stick movements. Not sure if it is possible to use the Flight Recorder option whilst in multiplayer mode though.

You are so used to doing flips, I bet you could do em blind folded.

DominicD · 05-26-2008, 09:29 AM

Thats gotta be a HUGE pancake !!

geoff200 · 05-26-2008, 10:57 AM

This big enough for you?

World's largest pancake is 2.5ton weight, made in 2005 in Canada.

slotcars · 05-26-2008, 11:37 AM

geoff,I dont get on the sim as much as I should.Its fun flying by yourself but even better when your flying online with otheres,I can never find an online session.If I knew what I was doing Id make up a cool scheme for a canopy but Im completely lost trying make schemes

geoff200 · 05-26-2008, 11:51 AM

Definately more fun flying with others, even more fun with TeamSpeak or similar. I don't really understand Phoenix Creator, I just use Adobe Photoshop.

geoff200 · 05-27-2008, 01:01 PM

Thanks for the tips guys, I have made a note of each point, and I will look out for those interactions when I sim.

Cheers Geoff.

JaggedEdge · 05-27-2008, 01:07 PM

I don't know if it will make any difference to you but I've found that circuits and 8's are easier in real life. I've also found that the more I set up my heli like the one in the sim the easier it is to fly in real life.

05-25-2008, 06:48 PM	#1
geoff200 Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol, UK	Improving Figure of Eights in sim. I am trying to perfect my figure of eight maneovers in the Phoenix sim. I have a long way to go. Does anyone have any tips to help ensure that the turns are well executed? I sometimes find myself flying sideways through part of the turn. Sometimes l come perilously close to the ground or shoot up too high, usually after the apex of the turn. Perhaps I should post a phoenix clip, so you tell me where I am going wrong - you could probably write pages lol. Cheers Geoff. __________________ I haven't a clue what you just said, so here is a rabbit with a pancake on its head. Trex 450 SE V2 with Outrage G5 Head, Tail, 1700KV Motor, X3D Paddles and 6S Packs. 11T Pin, DX7, HS-5065MG's, AR6100e, GY401+DS3500G, Jazz 40-6-18, 80% TC, K+B Tail blades, Rotorworks 350 CF Blades. +/-12 Col, +/-7 Cyc. 520 packs flown, 13 crashes.

05-25-2008, 06:56 PM	#2
brolley Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Allentown,Pa	Geoff, I find that backing off the power slightly just when you enter the turn helps, add equal amounts of aileron and rudder,then feed in power and drop the nose as you exit. Hope this helps, I don't have a sim! __________________ ALIGNTrex 600 Nitro Pro,OS 55,Align 600D's,G600,Align 2 in 1,DS 610s,650,Rotor Rage 30%,MICROBEAST MSH Mini Protos,Scorpion 2580,stretch with SAB325s,5065MG,3400G,YGE60,TP2250 3S 65C,MICROBEAST V3

05-25-2008, 08:12 PM	#3
Rick Rotorhead Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ludgershall, Wiltshire, England	Too much rudder (tail) in a turn will make the turn finish higher and make the heli skid around sideways a bit like a car doing a handbrake turn. Too little tail make the boom drop and the heli drop on its side, coming out of the turn (hopefully) lower then it went in and often needing a little opposite aileron cyclic to prevent over banking. Bottom line - too much tail is better then too little. tail control generally leads the turn too, by a half a second'ish. Tip - notice the boom during the turn - aim to make it stay parallel with the horizon - works every time...... I enjoy deliberatly oversteering with the tail, to get that oversteer, handbrake turn, effect. Looks good when combined with a drop in collective for a kind of Helter Skelter descending half turn down to a full stop. Give it a try!!!!! __________________ 450SE Silver - Power: Neu1107-2Y + 10t pinion ESC: Jazz 40-6-18 Governed. - Batts: 4s, FP 2100 Evolites. Pitch +/- 12* (TC63 PC 0,25,50,75,100), cyclic 6* HS2900 HS65Mg x3 + GY401 + S9650 tail.... Rx: AR6200 - Tx: FF9Super(T9CP) +Spektrum Module Crash count = 13 for 179. Trex time aloft = 22:42

05-25-2008, 08:34 PM	#4
DominicD The Capi - HF Support My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto	Get your ass back on the sim with us ..... damn British people. __________________ SAB Heli Canada / RotorQuest/Compass Team KBDD Spreading capibara awareness since 2006 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-25-2008, 08:40 PM	#5
Rick Rotorhead Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ludgershall, Wiltshire, England	What Ass HFG? Do you mean a Mule perhaps? BTW the Op IS using a sim............. __________________ 450SE Silver - Power: Neu1107-2Y + 10t pinion ESC: Jazz 40-6-18 Governed. - Batts: 4s, FP 2100 Evolites. Pitch +/- 12* (TC63 PC 0,25,50,75,100), cyclic 6* HS2900 HS65Mg x3 + GY401 + S9650 tail.... Rx: AR6200 - Tx: FF9Super(T9CP) +Spektrum Module Crash count = 13 for 179. Trex time aloft = 22:42

05-25-2008, 08:47 PM	#6
geoff200 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol, UK	I thought you guys were hiding from me - theres never a helifreak session whenever I look lol. __________________ I haven't a clue what you just said, so here is a rabbit with a pancake on its head. Trex 450 SE V2 with Outrage G5 Head, Tail, 1700KV Motor, X3D Paddles and 6S Packs. 11T Pin, DX7, HS-5065MG's, AR6100e, GY401+DS3500G, Jazz 40-6-18, 80% TC, K+B Tail blades, Rotorworks 350 CF Blades. +/-12 Col, +/-7 Cyc. 520 packs flown, 13 crashes.

05-25-2008, 08:52 PM	#8
Rick Rotorhead Registered Users Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ludgershall, Wiltshire, England	Ah ha! I get it - your talking about this 'On-line' Co-Op mode I've heard about arn't you. Soz guys - i'd love to be there too, but I'm on Reflex XTR - which doesn't support - er, anything.................. BTW - I'm aiming to have ALL the current post finishing with 'last poster' Rick Rotorhead......... Only a couple of hundred replies left to go then Mu ha ha......... __________________ 450SE Silver - Power: Neu1107-2Y + 10t pinion ESC: Jazz 40-6-18 Governed. - Batts: 4s, FP 2100 Evolites. Pitch +/- 12* (TC63 PC 0,25,50,75,100), cyclic 6* HS2900 HS65Mg x3 + GY401 + S9650 tail.... Rx: AR6200 - Tx: FF9Super(T9CP) +Spektrum Module Crash count = 13 for 179. Trex time aloft = 22:42

05-25-2008, 08:56 PM	#9
geoff200 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol, UK	You can order online from the Co-op now!, I thought it was only Tesco's lol. See just tried moments ago - no-one from anywhere in the world, not even Deepest Darkest Peru! Why is that? its so irritating! __________________ I haven't a clue what you just said, so here is a rabbit with a pancake on its head. Trex 450 SE V2 with Outrage G5 Head, Tail, 1700KV Motor, X3D Paddles and 6S Packs. 11T Pin, DX7, HS-5065MG's, AR6100e, GY401+DS3500G, Jazz 40-6-18, 80% TC, K+B Tail blades, Rotorworks 350 CF Blades. +/-12 Col, +/-7 Cyc. 520 packs flown, 13 crashes.

05-25-2008, 10:32 PM	#10
slotcars Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008	geoff ,Ive said this before that rabbit cracks me up.I also think your phoenix heli paint scheme is kick azz __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-26-2008, 05:14 AM	#11
geoff200 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol, UK	Thanks Slotcars, glad you found it funny. Hows your simming? __________________ I haven't a clue what you just said, so here is a rabbit with a pancake on its head. Trex 450 SE V2 with Outrage G5 Head, Tail, 1700KV Motor, X3D Paddles and 6S Packs. 11T Pin, DX7, HS-5065MG's, AR6100e, GY401+DS3500G, Jazz 40-6-18, 80% TC, K+B Tail blades, Rotorworks 350 CF Blades. +/-12 Col, +/-7 Cyc. 520 packs flown, 13 crashes.

05-26-2008, 08:39 AM	#12
markb Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, VA	Rudder coordination. With just the right amount of rudder, you can fly around in circles with NO aileron input after rolling in. Too much rudder, and your back elevator will roll you out of the turn. Too little rudder, and your back elevator will roll further into the turn. If you're finishing in a climb, you're using too much rudder... going round the turn in a "skid". __________________ Mark Logo 600se, Scorpion 5020-450, mini-V, Jive 80HV Trex 600 ESP FBL, Scorpion 4025-740, cgy750, CC85HV Trex 450 Vx FBL, Scorpion 2221-10, RJX head, mini-V, Ice 50

05-26-2008, 08:40 AM	#13
Acrodave Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SW, Ohio	[QUOTE=Rick Rotorhead;690803] Bottom line - too much tail is better then too little. Amen....... Oh ...... are we talking about heli's here??? Dave

05-26-2008, 09:29 AM	#15
DominicD The Capi - HF Support My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto	Thats gotta be a HUGE pancake !! __________________ SAB Heli Canada / RotorQuest/Compass Team KBDD Spreading capibara awareness since 2006 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-26-2008, 10:57 AM	#16
geoff200 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol, UK	This big enough for you? World's largest pancake is 2.5ton weight, made in 2005 in Canada. __________________ I haven't a clue what you just said, so here is a rabbit with a pancake on its head. Trex 450 SE V2 with Outrage G5 Head, Tail, 1700KV Motor, X3D Paddles and 6S Packs. 11T Pin, DX7, HS-5065MG's, AR6100e, GY401+DS3500G, Jazz 40-6-18, 80% TC, K+B Tail blades, Rotorworks 350 CF Blades. +/-12 Col, +/-7 Cyc. 520 packs flown, 13 crashes.

05-26-2008, 11:37 AM	#17
slotcars Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008	geoff,I dont get on the sim as much as I should.Its fun flying by yourself but even better when your flying online with otheres,I can never find an online session.If I knew what I was doing Id make up a cool scheme for a canopy but Im completely lost trying make schemes __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-26-2008, 11:51 AM	#18
geoff200 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol, UK	Definately more fun flying with others, even more fun with TeamSpeak or similar. I don't really understand Phoenix Creator, I just use Adobe Photoshop. __________________ I haven't a clue what you just said, so here is a rabbit with a pancake on its head. Trex 450 SE V2 with Outrage G5 Head, Tail, 1700KV Motor, X3D Paddles and 6S Packs. 11T Pin, DX7, HS-5065MG's, AR6100e, GY401+DS3500G, Jazz 40-6-18, 80% TC, K+B Tail blades, Rotorworks 350 CF Blades. +/-12 Col, +/-7 Cyc. 520 packs flown, 13 crashes.

05-27-2008, 01:01 PM	#19
geoff200 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bristol, UK	Thanks for the tips guys, I have made a note of each point, and I will look out for those interactions when I sim. Cheers Geoff. __________________ I haven't a clue what you just said, so here is a rabbit with a pancake on its head. Trex 450 SE V2 with Outrage G5 Head, Tail, 1700KV Motor, X3D Paddles and 6S Packs. 11T Pin, DX7, HS-5065MG's, AR6100e, GY401+DS3500G, Jazz 40-6-18, 80% TC, K+B Tail blades, Rotorworks 350 CF Blades. +/-12 Col, +/-7 Cyc. 520 packs flown, 13 crashes.

05-27-2008, 01:07 PM	#20
JaggedEdge Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Amherst, NY	I don't know if it will make any difference to you but I've found that circuits and 8's are easier in real life. I've also found that the more I set up my heli like the one in the sim the easier it is to fly in real life. __________________ -TREX600NSP - TREX500ESP - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 917540 - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 1003 -

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