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Old 01-01-2007, 08:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well I copied this from the T-Rex 600 forum as I simply think this is an "Awesome" idea. For both beginners and experts alike power setups can be discussed a reviewed. I think most benefit will be to the people wanting to look at "what motor, esc, lipo etc do I buy?". We all know what that is like and can surely appreciate it. Like always, we can all learn from others triumphs and mistakes so let's keep it real! Now my copy of Bob "Finless" and Matt "Tickity" message....and an (add on) of my own which I hope helps :wink: Also please note this is open to setups for AP Work, Sport Flying, not just 3D stuff...

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Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc":

Setup style: 3D / Sport / Scale ? FAI:
RTF weight if known:
Ambient Temperature:
Motor and Pinion:
ESC "Brand and size":
Lipo "Brand and Size":

Length of flight:
Headspeed:
Motor Temp "average or on landing":
ESC Temp "average" or on landing":
Lipo Temp "average or on landing":
MAH put back into pack after flight:


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Old 01-04-2007, 01:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Date: 1/4/07 (sixth flight of this particular heli)
Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc": Logo 14 basically stock, Futaba 9650's, 401/9254, Tango 45-06, Jazz 55, koolflight ubec, TP 4000 10s2p, Mikado 580 blades

RTF weight if known: 6.57 lb. / 2980 gm
Ambient Temperature: 75F / 24C
Motor and Pinion: Tango 45-06 (640 Kv) 12T pinion
ESC "Brand and size": Jazz 55
Lipo "Brand and Size": TP 4000 10s2p

Length of flight: 10:55 Throttle hold off to throttle hold on.
Headspeed: 1850 @ 75% gov.
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 98F / 37C on landing
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 97F 36C on landing
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 108F / 42C on landing
MAH put back into pack after flight: 2896 or 263 mah/min or 73% capacity used.

Obviously this is a sport/duration set-up but it is still agile enough to do loops, rolls and lazy flips. This set-up is very easy on the epuipment while still providing decent sport/light aerobatic performance. HAV
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This is a setup really proven and I think is definetly worth showing.


Date: Mid October 2006
Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc": Logo 14, 9650s, GY611&9256


Setup style: 3D / Sport / Scale ? FAI: 3D
RTF weight if known: N/A
Ambient Temperature: +5 to +7 Deg Celcius
Motor and Pinion: Actro 24-4~/11 Tooth Mod 1.0 with 96T Mod 1.0 main
ESC "Brand and size": Jazz 55-10-32
Lipo "Brand and Size": FlightPower 3700 10S1P

Length of flight: 5:30
Headspeed: 2270 @75% governor on Jazz esc
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 24 degrees celcius
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 26 degrees celcius
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 27 degrees celcius
MAH put back into pack after flight: 2825 mah

I know some do not like the fade off of this motor after 3.5 mins but I don't find it that bad. Note that Actro motors do not carry a consistent kv. What I mean in specific is that no two of these motors are alike. Several have had to use 12 tooth to obtain same HS, while some with 11 tooth have experienced over 100 rpm more on HS, obviously higher KVs than advertised. Summary of this setup is it is powerful and runs cool, and it really can take the pitch range. This graph displays 3000+ watts with the pack avg 3.7 per cell which translates to 3.0+ HP. :wink:
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Old 01-12-2007, 05:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Logo 14 - Tango 45-07

I lack some of the data that some of you probably want, but here is some info on how the 45-07 works in my Logo 14.

Setup style: 3D/Sport
RTF weight if known: N/A
Blades: Mikado CF 580's
Ambient Temperature: N/A
Motor and Pinion: Tango 45-07 - 11/12 Tooth Mod 0.7
ESC "Brand and size": Jazz 55-10-32
Lipo "Brand and Size": TP 10S2P 4000/FlightPower 3700 10S1P

Length of flight: 9-6 min
Headspeed: 2150ish @85% governor on Jazz esc
Motor Temp "average or on landing": Cold/luke warm
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": Cold/luke warm
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": Cold/luke warm
MAH put back into pack after flight: roughly 3000 mah

Up til last spring I used an 11t pinion on the Tango 45-07 with TP 10S2P 4000mah packs and it worked great for sports flying and mildish 3D. I got close to 9 minutes flying time on this setup and all components where cool and close to ambient temperatures.

After seing a couple videos of the germans flying hard 3D with a 13t I changed mine to a 12t. This gave more rpms and made it possible to dial down the Jazz to about 85%. If I take it easy I can still get about 8 minutes flying times but flying 3D takes 2-3 minutes off that time. Temperatures gets slightly warmer but never warm.

The 45-07 with a 12t seems to be a very flexible setup. Here is a video from a F3C competition this summer (sportsman) where I used the TP pack for hovering and then switched to an EVO pack to do the aerobatics. I had never switched packs before so I was taken by surprise by the extra power available from the EVO pack and it kind of messed up the collective timing:
http://www.lojal.no/userfiles/lorentsnm.wmv

Here is another video of the same setup flying with the older TP packs (the EVO pack was empty). Basically the only difference between this setup and the one used for F3C is lighter paddles, harder dampeners and the horizontal tail fin. I limit the flying time to 5 minutes when flying 3D with the older packs - putting back about 2600 mah.
http://www.lojal.no/userfiles/3dlogo14.wmv

Here are some graphs, but they arent quite comparable since they are flown with different styles. The first two with TP packs is sportsflying/mild 3d while the last one is 3D flying with the EVO pack:
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Old 02-06-2007, 06:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Date: 1/28/07

Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc":
Model: Logo 10 3D
Gyro: GY401/S9254
Servos: Futaba S9650
Rx: Futaba R138DP PCM
Custom: Raptor 50 tail blades

Setup style: 3D
RTF weight if known: 5.0 lbs.
Ambient Temperature: 55F
Motor and Pinion: Z30A 1100 19T
ESC "Brand and size": Jeti Spin 55
Lipo "Brand and Size": MaxAmps 4000mAh 6S

Length of flight: 7 min
Headspeed: 2200
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 90F
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 144F
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 133F recorded
MAH put back into pack after flight: 3700mAh

The pause in the middle of the data is an auto.
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:02 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc":
Model: Logo 10 3D
Gyro: GY401/S9253
Servos: Futaba 3102
Rx: Futaba 9ch synth PCM
Custom: Logo 14 tail blades

Setup style: smooth 3D
RTF weight if known: 4 lbs 10 oz
Ambient Temperature: 85F
Motor and Pinion: Hacker A30 10XL 23 tooth
ESC "Brand and size": Hacker Master 48
Lipo "Brand and Size": TP extreme 5S 4500

Length of flight: 8+ min
Headspeed: 2020
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 125F
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 127F
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 120F recorded
MAH put back into pack after flight: 3500~3700mAh

Nice smooth 3D setup (not current style of herky-jerky, try to blow it apart in the air) Plenty of power for this style of flying, all components just warm, nothing hot. very lightweight. Using old-style smaller/lighter canopy, and no boom support
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Old 03-28-2007, 03:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc":
Model: Logo 14
Gyro: GY401/S9254
Servos: Futaba S9650's
Rx: JR X3810
Custom: Logo 14 tail blades

Setup style: medium 3D with lots climb outs and toc tocs
RTF weight if known: 3,2kg
Ambient Temperature: 15C
Motor and Pinion: Hacker A50 10pole, 16s, 17 tooth
ESC "Brand and size": Jazz 55 10 32
Lipo "Brand and Size": XCELL 10s 3,9Ah

Length of flight: 7+ min
Headspeed: 2000
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 40C
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 20C
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 17C
MAH put back into pack after flight: 2900mAh

...This baby rocks ! I'm using also the same suggested setup as Andy Rummer - absolutely stabel headspeed with +-11 Pitch long climbouts and tic tocs - I like this setup expecially I use 17 teeth so there is no issue with loosing some of the main gear teeth - up to this point I have
approx. 30 Flights - no maintenance up to now - the best machine I ever had.
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Old 04-12-2007, 11:56 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Date: April12, 2007
Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc": Logo 14, 9650s, gy502/9254,mikado 580mm blades,+-15 degrees of pitch.


Setup style: mild 3d (noob 3d :mrgreen: )
RTF weight if known: 3250g
Ambient Temperature: +8 C
Motor and Pinion: Hacker A50-14S ten pole and 17 tooth mod.7 pinion.
ESC "Brand and size": Jazz 55-10-32
Lipo "Brand and Size": FlightPower 3700 10S1P "nf" 22c

Length of flight: 4:30 to 5:00 minutes (still breaking in the packs)
Headspeed: 2200
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 100F by the time I had the canopy off
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": Didn't check.
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": Barely warm to the touch.
MAH put back into pack after flight: 2300mah

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Old 04-15-2007, 04:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Just a follow up to the post above.

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Old 04-20-2007, 02:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Date: 04/19/2007
Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc": Logo10 deluxe upgraded to 3D, stretched boom, TT550 blades, 9650's on cyclic, GY401/HS6965 on the tail. Using DX-7/AR7000 and TP2s-1320/align 3amp voltage regulator (same as supplied with the Trex-600)

Setup style: 3D / Sport / Scale ? FAI: sport/acro (it will do 3d but I am not there yet)
RTF weight if known: approx: 6lbs (bathroom scale)
Ambient Temperature: 78 F
Motor and Pinion: Z50A-600/13t (mod .7 logo-14 gearset)
ESC "Brand and size":85amp 12s capable (I was asked to withhold the brand. It is not made in the USA or Germany but it works just fine)
Lipo "Brand and Size":TPX 12s-1p2070mah

Length of flight: 5min
Headspeed: set for 2180
Motor Temp "average or on landing":90F in the middle of the can, 103F looking into the fan
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 80F
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 125F
MAH put back into pack after flight: 1386

Update: added graph from 2007_05_18. Same setup, hotter day, more watts generated.
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Logo 14 with neu 1915-1y on a 15 tooth pinion, 10s flightpower 22c pack.
Radix 600mm blades with +-13 degrees of pitch.
This is mild 3d, the motor appears to be pretty decent on average amp draw and has endless power when it needs it (it'll spike to 3300-3600 watts if you can manage to really load it up, that takes v-blades and 16 degrees of pitch though ). Makes the hacker a50-14s I was using feel weak !
The motor was 120 degrees when it came down, batteries were just warm.

Shawn buy this motor, you'll like it !
This thing would be one bad mother on 12s.

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Old 06-12-2007, 10:09 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc":

*Logo 24 BIONIC,
*V - Bar with Original Rotorhead converted for V-Bar use (sawed off the Seesaw-Holder, Selfmade Aluminum Spacers for Bladeholders)
*Servos: 3x Multiplex Titan Digi 4, 1x Futaba S9254
*Mains: Helitec-NDW3D 600
*Tails: Blattschmied xTail 95


Setup style: 3D
RTF weight if known: 3.2 kG

Motor and Pinion: Kontronik Tango 45-06, 13t pinion Mod .7
ESC "Brand and size": Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32
Lipo "Brand and Size": 2x 5s3300 Flightpower EVO 20

Average length of flight: 7m 30s
Headspeed: 2000 and 1850
Motor Temp "average or on landing": slighty more than handwarm
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": handwarm, colder as motor
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": aprox. 55 deg C
MAH put back into pack after flight: 2600mAh


With the V-Bar the Heli is very agile. It flies almost perfect with the Standardsetup so just minor tweakings had to be done (lowering Gain of Tailgyro, raising Bell on Aileron and Elevon by +10). No pressure Pipes.
Most of the time I fly with 1850 Headspeed, with 2000 it gets extremely fast. The climbrate is not as astonishing as perhaps with an Actro or Orbit motor but I think its OK, especially as the Kontronik-Set is very reliable, runs cool and efficient and the flight time is very acceptable (Note: The logged Flight was nearly Fulltime 3D-Flying). So I think this is a good Setup for any 50 electric and a good alternative to the 50 Nitro (I can't remember that my Raptor 50 w. OS Hyper was more powerful?!)


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Old 08-23-2007, 10:00 AM   #13 (permalink)
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So where are the hot 500 set ups?
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Date: August 23, 2007

Model": Logo 5003D
Setup style: 3D
Gyro: Futaba 611 & 9256
RTF weight if known: N/A
Ambient Temperature: +16 Deg C
Motor and Pinion: NEU 1910(H)-1Y, 153T Main mod.7, 16T Pinion mod.7
ESC "Brand and size": Jazz 80-6-18
Lipo "Brand and Size": FlightPower 3700 6S1P (25C)
Blades: 500mm BBT Mains, 92mm Radix TR Blades
BEC: Western Robotics HV 5amp BEC (5-6V Selectable) - Awesome BEC!

Length of flight: 4:00-4:20 (short due to small packs) suggest 4350-5000mah packs for much longer flights
Headspeed: 2260 @88% governor on Jazz esc
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 23 degrees celcius
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 21 degrees celcius
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 27 degrees celcius
MAH "avg" put back into pack after flight: 2620 mah

**This is not a complete or ultimate powerhouse setup imho, mainly due to not having enough bite with 500mm blades** Still this setup runs very cool and is very easy on the esc, lipos and all electronics.

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With 550 Main blades you are limited to 3:40 for time with the 3700mah 6S1P lipos. I suggest running the 5000mah packs with 550s and this setup. Running 5000mah packs however is not a good combo with only running the 500mm mains as they are too small and the power to weight feel is not good for 3D imho. *****
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:16 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Date: October 30, 2007

Model": Logo 10 3D
Setup style: sport
Gyro: Futaba 401 + 9253
RTF weight if known: 2.5kg
Ambient Temperature: +18 Deg C
Motor and Pinion: Plettenberg Orbit 20-10 + fan , 200Tmaingear , 21 T pinion
ESC "Brand and size": Kontronik Jazz 80-6-18
Lipo "Brand and Size": First Connect , Lithium-Ion-Mangan (AKA "konion") 5S3P 4200mAh
Blades: 515mm Helitec GKF/CFK
BEC: none (internal bec of jazz 80-6-18 = 4Amps !)

Length of flight: 11+ minutes (without decrease in rpm)
Headspeed: 1650 @80% governor on Jazz esc
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 40 - 45 degrees celcius
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 35 degrees celcius
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 30 degrees celcius
MAH "avg" put back into pack after flight: 3000mAh


*This is for smooth flying around and well suited for beginners. Despite the low headspeed it has good power.
**The logo is currenty changing with a stretched carbon tailboom (650mm) and 550mm SAB mainblades
***The used battery is not well known in the USA, but more here in Europe. They are well known for their number of charge- discharge cycles which are in the range of > 300 !
For more info : http://www.first-products.de/Manganengl.htm
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Model: Logo 600 3D
Gyro: GY611/S9256
Servos: Hitec 6975
Rx: Ar7000
Radix 600 main : R&B 89 tail blades

Flight style: 3D Session 1 - FF Session 2
RTF weight if known: 3.3kg
Ambient Temperature: 26 C
Motor and Pinion: ZPower Z50-800 and 13t pinion
ESC Jazz 55-10-32 @ 85% governor
Lipo "Brand and Size": FP EVO 25 10S 3700

Length of flight: 5 mins
Headspeed: 2200 on 10S 85% and 1650 on 8S 95%
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 37 C (98F)
Motor temp per flight 44C
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 54 C (129F)
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 46C (114F)
MAH put back into pack after flight: 2800mAh

EDIT: added in another FDR with temp probe on the Z50-800 & a flight with an 8S pack just for fun
EDIT2: Added in 4th FDR with servo logger - on fairly hard sport FF
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Default Logo 500 3d with Tango 45-10 on 6s, beginner/ sport setup

I was a beginner when I built this heli, so I wanted something stable and solid for a beginner, with a bit of room built in for expansion into sport/ mild 3d eventually.

Date: Nov 25, 2007
Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc":
logo 500 3d
Tango 45-10
Jazz 80-6-18 with heatsink added
FP Evo 25 6s 5000 Mah packs
21t pinion (with 22t ready to go for later)
JR 8717 cyclic servos
Fut 611/ 9256
WR Hercules 5A BEC
555mm Mah mains
stock tail blades
Heavy Mikado paddles for the moment, will switch to the 3d ones later


Setup style: Beginner/ sport
RTF weight if known: don't know
Ambient Temperature: 5 degrees C (40 F)
Motor and Pinion: Tango 45-10, 21t mod .5
ESC "Brand and size": Jazz 80-6-18
Lipo "Brand and Size": FP Evo 25 6z 5000 Mah

Length of flight: 7 mins
Headspeed: 2040
Motor Temp "average or on landing": 28 deg C
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": 27 deg C
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": 31 deg C
MAH put back into pack after flight: 3400 Mah

This heli flies solid as a rock, feels so locked in it is fantastic. I'm only doing very basic hovering training and low speed circuits at the moment, but it feels like it does everything so easily and has plenty of room for expansion. Temps back this feeling up. This headspeed seems to be perfect for learning, it is really stable and predictable. I am loving this heli
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Great, thanks for the contributions fellas, this is priceless info for peeps just getting into the Logos!
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Default Logo 5003d

Model: Logo 500 3D
Gyro: Spartan DS 760 & 9254
Servos: Hitec 6965
Rx: Ar7000
Rotortech 515 main : R&B 89 tail blades

Flight style: FF and mild 3D
RTF weight if known: 2.89kg
Ambient Temperature: 31 C
Motor and Pinion: Hacker A40 10 L and 14t pinion 0.7m & 153 gear
ESC Jazz 55-10-32 @ 85% governor
Lipo "Brand and Size": FP EVO 25 6S 4900

Length of flight: 6 mins
Headspeed: 2050 on 85%
MAH put back into pack after flight: 3365mAh
Max temperature of ESC (with H/S): 44C
Maximum servo current: 2.4A


Set up low and slow at first till I get a feel for current the Jazz has to handle on 6S - will probably gear up to 15t next but this was nice to fly - no slouch and plenty of headroom for aerobatics but probably not power enough for full on 3D. Still good to have possible flight times of 7mins with this setup !

EDIT: Added in 2nd FDR with temp recording of ESC and servo current recorder - with 3 6965s and a 9254 mostly between 1-1.5A with a peak of 2.4A. Heatsink on ESC working well max 44C and a peak current of 81A with some fairly heavy collective.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:49 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Hello

here is my very pleasant setup:

Date: 2007 December
Helicopter & particulars of setup "servos,gyro etc": 500mm Mikado carbon blades; GY 401 + 9254; HS 225 MG;

Setup style: 3D / Sport / Scale ? FAI: Sport flyer trying to start 3D...
RTF weight if known:2300grs
Ambient Temperature:10C
Motor and Pinion: CENTURY 600+, pinion 21
ESC "Brand and size": JAzz 55-6-18 77% governor mode
Lipo "Brand and Size": 5S; 4000->4250; hyperion CX, Maxamp, hextronic G2

Length of flight: 7 min
Headspeed:1900
Motor Temp "average or on landing": + 20C
ESC Temp "average" or on landing": + 10C
Lipo Temp "average or on landing": + 30C
MAH put back into pack after flight: not more than 3200
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