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Old 04-27-2014, 10:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Blade A gear, Xtreme B gear mesh ?

I was wondering if I will have any mesh issues with a Blade A gear and an Xtreme B gear? Was not sure if the sets on the gears were the same. I chunked my B gear yesterday and had to order as LHS is out of Blade B gears. As an aside I made a mental note to myself not to try multiple backflips with a bunch of trees around. It also gave me a good chance to order a bunch of stuff I do not really need but wanted. LOL. Thanks.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Good question, I never thought of the gear mesh as being a possible issue. I still have a Blade B gear installed, but bought a few Xremes as extras. I hope they will mesh properly when I need them.

I have learned that tree lesson as well. I need to video some time to catch them, but I am sure that when I am plugging the battery into my 130x or mcpx, the branches extend a couple of feet.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have had bad luck with Xtreme 'B' gears and I can only figure it was because I was running them with a Blade metal 'A' gear. I have reverted back to Blade 'B' gears and now have no issues. I have not tried an Xtreme 'A' with an Xtreme 'B' but I would assume (hope) you would see better results than I had.

On the reverse side I am currently running an Xtreme 'A' with a Blade 'B' on one of my 3s birds with no problems. I am starting to see some decent wear on the A but the B looks fine and everything is still running smoothly.
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Old 04-29-2014, 01:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have had bad luck with Xtreme 'B' gears and I can only figure it was because I was running them with a Blade metal 'A' gear. I have reverted back to Blade 'B' gears and now have no issues. I have not tried an Xtreme 'A' with an Xtreme 'B' but I would assume (hope) you would see better results than I had.

On the reverse side I am currently running an Xtreme 'A' with a Blade 'B' on one of my 3s birds with no problems. I am starting to see some decent wear on the A but the B looks fine and everything is still running smoothly.
My experience is something similar. My Blade B got worn and the LHS was out of it and only had Xtreme B so what the heck. Not a good experience. The mesh seems fine but eventually I see the Xtreme B wearing out quite quickly, weeks compared to months forthe original Blade B. Then on one flight - zip! All the teeth got stripped and I was left with a cylindrical (instead of cone) shaped Xtreme B. And the Blade A was still fine!

I wonder if it's more of different metal / material than the mesh?
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I run many goofy combos with gears because I fly 3 130's and have a lot of random crash parts. Currently one has a horizon metal A gear and the xtreme B with nice mesh. Another has a xtreme A with horizon B and my last has horizon A/B.

The metal xtreme uses stands up for me better in crashes. The B gear needs to have a lot of backlash (tail case pulled away from the boom) or it doesn't run smooth. Running the lynx quad tail I strip metal B gears now and break teeth on A gears so I'm going through a lot. So far I have yet to damage the xtreme gears in my recent crashes. That's with plastic C/D by the way. I'd like other companies to make gears but being the size it's not a fun task for them.
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Old 04-29-2014, 03:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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... I'd like other companies to make gears....
There are a few options other than Blade and Xtreme, although some may actually be rebranded versions of the same gears. Microheli now has metal gears for the 130x. tmkarc1hobby has metal gears from ELE, whoever they are. Hawk-RC has metal gears.

Lynx had some in beta test a year ago, but apparently opted to not bring them to market.
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There are a few options other than Blade and Xtreme, although some may actually be rebranded versions of the same gears. Microheli now has metal gears for the 130x. tmkarc1hobby has metal gears from ELE, whoever they are. Hawk-RC has metal gears.

Lynx had some in beta test a year ago, but apparently opted to not bring them to market.
Good to know, I just looked at the microheli one and it looks like a replica of the xtreme completely. I only run metal A/B and wasn't aware of other manufactures making them
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I've found that you can run an Extreme A with a stock B and have good luck. However, a Blade metal A and Extreme B tends to not work as well.

I usually run all Extreme to avoid headaches. If I do use Blade metal A, I use a blade B with it.

For some reason, havent ever had trouble with mixing tail gears though.
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I don't like to see people having problems but it's nice to read that at least a couple of you have had similar experience with a Blade metal A and Xtreme metal B.....thought maybe I was just being a bit we tod did or something
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I've found that you can run an Extreme A with a stock B and have good luck. However, a Blade metal A and Extreme B tends to not work as well.

I usually run all Extreme to avoid headaches. If I do use Blade metal A, I use a blade B with it.

For some reason, havent ever had trouble with mixing tail gears though.
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I don't like to see people having problems but it's nice to read that at least a couple of you have had similar experience with a Blade metal A and Xtreme metal B.....thought maybe I was just being a bit we tod did or something
I don't want to upset the heli geimlens saying this but, the horizon metal A gear with xtreme B has been good to me on one of my 3. It was a field repair that seems to be working. It needs a major amount of backlash to work tho vs the horizon B gear that can be run at tighter lash.

It's lame you have to buy the entire gearset from horizon just for the B
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I don't want to upset the heli geimlens saying this but, the horizon metal A gear with xtreme B has been good to me on one of my 3. It was a field repair that seems to be working. It needs a major amount of backlash to work tho vs the horizon B gear that can be run at tighter lash.

It's lame you have to buy the entire gearset from horizon just for the B
Agreed, that is why I bought a few extreme B gears. I was annoyed having to pay for a full gearset from Blade, just for the B gear.

On another note, can you explain what you mean by "major amount of backlash"? Are you saying there needs to be more of a gap between the A and B gears?
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Hey Ron, What vtown is saying is that you have to run your gear mesh "loose" to achieve proper mesh. That is for lack of a proper description. So much is involved with gear mash and spacing. I could not even explain it in a forum. It goes on forever starting with tooth pitch, spacing, shimming, floating or fixed, concentrics, angles, if you really want to understand it google gear mesh and settle in for some reading.
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Agreed, that is why I bought a few extreme B gears. I was annoyed having to pay for a full gearset from Blade, just for the B gear.

On another note, can you explain what you mean by "major amount of backlash"? Are you saying there needs to be more of a gap between the A and B gears?
I run 3-4 shims on the very top main shaft bearing just under the main shaft collar to pull the A gear up tight against the upper bearing race. Then I adjust my tail box depth so I can grab the C gear and push and pull it and see the B gear move in and out. I play with it so I get max movement sliding the C gear fore and aft while the tail is completely assembled. If you run the tail box too far in the TT will push the B gear into the A gear causing a tighter mesh.
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So just to make sure I was covered in my original question or post I ordered some Xtreme A's and B's to cover my bases so to speak. For you guys that run the Xtreme A gear should I have any concern about circumference and the elevator servo?

Also for vtown nick do you run an aftermarket metal case? Both my tailcases are stock Blade and they are pretty much impossible to move around. I went back to the stockers after wearing out two LYNX metals. My gear mesh is fine. I do not think I could move my tailcase if I wanted to especially with the LYNX TBSR booms. Lot of friction in that fit. I have reverted to almost all stock on both my 130's
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So just to make sure I was covered in my original question or post I ordered some Xtreme A's and B's to cover my bases so to speak. For you guys that run the Xtreme A gear should I have any concern about circumference and the elevator servo?

Also for vtown nick do you run an aftermarket metal case? Both my tailcases are stock Blade and they are pretty much impossible to move around. I went back to the stockers after wearing out two LYNX metals. My gear mesh is fine. I do not think I could move my tailcase if I wanted to especially with the LYNX TBSR booms. Lot of friction in that fit. I have reverted to almost all stock on both my 130's
Nah, never seen issues with the Extreme A gear rubbing on the elevator servo.....
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So just to make sure I was covered in my original question or post I ordered some Xtreme A's and B's to cover my bases so to speak. For you guys that run the Xtreme A gear should I have any concern about circumference and the elevator servo?

Also for vtown nick do you run an aftermarket metal case? Both my tailcases are stock Blade and they are pretty much impossible to move around. I went back to the stockers after wearing out two LYNX metals. My gear mesh is fine. I do not think I could move my tailcase if I wanted to especially with the LYNX TBSR booms. Lot of friction in that fit. I have reverted to almost all stock on both my 130's
The xtreme A seems just the slightest bit smaller outer diameter that the hh metal one. Tho if you have newer servos this wouldn't be an issue.

Sorry about that, yes I only run the lynx quad tail case on all 3 of my helis. 100s of flights and 1,000s of crashes on original bearings still going strong! Setting the depth with a stock case is a real chore but possible. I do it by pulling the boom out of the frame to get the fit right because you end up ripping the tail cause off when it finally does move.
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