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Old 11-18-2015, 04:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Petition for Flip Rate Control after inverted recovery here.

Tomas will add to 1.4 if requests are high enough. Vote here or at Helifreak. Thanks Tomas.

So... Yes please
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm for having the flexibility.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 11-18-2015, 09:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If we can slow down the flip in Rescue I am all for it. I have my flip rate at 12 in the Spirit and rescue is still flipping a lot faster that that. I do not even try a experimental rescue from inverted at 2150 HS, first time will be a true rescue at that HS.
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Old 11-19-2015, 01:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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+1: with this new setting, spirit fbl unit will be perfect !
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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No need for that.
Just a useless parameter to look at.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:40 AM   #7 (permalink)
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No need for that.
Just a useless parameter to look at.
Can you explain your point of view ?

Please, see spirit forum here, especially Kramrle posts and the answers of zeXx86 , page 2 and 3


http://www.spirit-system.com/phpBB3/...t=979&start=10
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:49 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I am in for the new parameter.

Just make a nice default so people who don't want it will not need to look at it (this applies already to all Expert settings, helidude71...)

Or maybe... consider the Cyclic rotation speed instead of the full Cyclic ring (I know it's not the same "thing", but still it will reduce the "violence" of the flip).
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No need for that.
Just a useless parameter to look at.
+1 I'm not sure what the perceived benefit of slowing the rate of flip is thought to be? What's the problem with a fast flip?

I'd guess Spirit have limited R&D recourse and unless this was a five minute job it wouldn't be worth expending the effort on IMHO.
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Does a Petition normally includes the people who DO NOT want that to happen?

That one is called a Referendum, and:
(a) it is something different
(b) does not apply here, since there is no reason why someone should try to avoid that we all have additional tuning capability on the unit.

If you don't want to use the new feature, don't use it, but let it happen, for the ones who want to use it.

Please, be logical.

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+1 I'm not sure what the perceived benefit of slowing the rate of flip is thought to be? What's the problem with a fast flip?

I'd guess Spirit have limited R&D recourse and unless this was a five minute job it wouldn't be worth expending the effort on IMHO.
sorry to repeat , but please, read the spirit forum here:


http://www.spirit-system.com/phpBB3/...t=979&start=30

ZexX86 said that:

"If this will be really requested by pilots, we can add it in the upcoming version 1.4."
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Good suggestion.

I'd also like to have the ability to reduce pitch after rescue have gone from Acro to Normal. I have it configured this way now, using banks and delay, but it would be nice to be able to do it directly in the software also. No need for 100% pitch when the heli have gained height and turned into upright orientation. I have set it to 30% pitch, and it just floats in the air after it has rocked up for ~2.5 seconds.
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sorry to repeat , but please, read the spirit forum here:


http://www.spirit-system.com/phpBB3/...t=979&start=30
I did read the link but still didn't see any compelling reason for it?
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Does a Petition normally includes the people who DO NOT want that to happen?

That one is called a Referendum, and:
(a) it is something different
(b) does not apply here, since there is no reason why someone should try to avoid that we all have additional tuning capability on the unit.

If you don't want to use the new feature, don't use it, but let it happen, for the ones who want to use it.

Please, be logical.

And apply Mutual Respect.
I'm sure if my reply broke any forum rules then the mods will intervene. Report the post if you like?

In the meantime I don't any notice of self appointed moderators.
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I'm sure if my reply broke any forum rules then the mods will intervene. Report the post if you like?

In the meantime I don't any notice of self appointed moderators.
Don't be that grumpy...
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Old 11-19-2015, 04:48 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I did read the link but still didn't see any compelling reason for it?
It is your point of view.. but I am not agree with you , especially if you fly at low or middle rpm, sometime the tail do not hold well during the recovery flip.

But what is the problem with a new setting for the recovery flip rate ?
You can set it as you want...You want a fast recovery flip ? Set it fast...Others want a slow recovery flip ? They can set it slower....

I do not see what the problem is ?
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I have to agree with others that I don't see the point of changing the current behavior. Rescue should be a very short violent event that keeps a heli from impact and stops controlling the heli as soon as possible. If you start configuring all these extra settings for rescue you introduce more chances for error.

If the flip is too fast then the heli itself can be flipped too fast and the cyclic ring should be reduced.

Also, Once you get to an acro rescue you don't need any of those extra settings.

I understand the desired result, however I don't think an extra setting in rescue is the correct solution.
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I have to agree with others that I don't see the point of changing the current behavior. Rescue should be a very short violent event that keeps a heli from impact and stops controlling the heli as soon as possible. If you start configuring all these extra settings for rescue you introduce more chances for error.

If the flip is too fast then the heli itself can be flipped too fast and the cyclic ring should be reduced.

Also, Once you get to an acro rescue you don't need any of those extra settings.

I understand the desired result, however I don't think an extra setting in rescue is the correct solution.
No chance of error, if I use Rescue normal and I am close to inverted the heli will level and climb for the set duration, then flip when there is no chance of crash anymore. Why should it be a "violent event" then? No need.

Anyway, you cannot flip with full power... cyclic rotation rate is in play when you command the flip. It looks like it is not when the flip is commanded by Rescue algorithm.


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I have to agree with others that I don't see the point of changing the current behavior. Rescue should be a very short violent event that keeps a heli from impact and stops controlling the heli as soon as possible..
No problem, with a setting for recovery flip rate, you can set it as you want....

ZeXx86 can make a default setting very fast for this new parameter and put this parameter in the Expert Setting Tab, for those who want a slow recovery flip....
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:12 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Smile Rescue flip rate

I would like to see it added.
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