Looking for some more "umph"?

[heliadict1212]

Im running the stock motor/pinion with a HW 60a esc at 90% TC using 45c nanotech lipos. Batteries barely come down warm, ESC is noticeably warm and the motor is HOT after 4m flights. My lipos have 3.8-3.9 per cell upon landing. Im happy with the 470 performance but I feel like theres more to give here and the motor is the limiting factor. Coming down as hot as it is I cant imagine a up in pinion will do anything but kill the motor VERY fast. My gear mesh is perfect btw.

So, when are we going to see some motor upgrades? Ive looked but havent seen anything available yet.

[dva]

I just upped my govener on my HW 60A controller to 93% from 89% and there was a a noticeable difference in power. Was running the stock 69mm tail blades with a slight vibration at 93%, so only tried the increased setting for about one minute. Just sanded my 71 mm Roto Tech tail blades this morning on a landing and they ran smother. I'm planning on trying 95% govener when I pick up another set of Royo Tech tail blades.

[Thickfog]

What are you running for pitch? Seems like awfully high voltage for that flight time.
Of course I have no idea about your pack size.

The align motor runs very hot.

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[Smoggie]

Originally Posted by dva

I'm planning on trying 95% govener when I pick up another set of Royo Tech tail blades.

At 95% (or 93%) you aren't really governing because there isnt enough head room to take the increase in torque required when you add pitch, so RPM will bog down under load. As a rule of thumb 85% is about as high as you can go and still have the governor maintain constant headspeed

[Thickfog]

Run 100 headspeed. Allen Szabo does on this bird. I do and I sure don't need more oomph and it doesn't bog.

[Smoggie]

Originally Posted by Thickfog

Run 100 headspeed. Allen Szabo does on this bird. I do and I sure don't need more oomph and it doesn't bog.

It has to bog to some extent if you run 100%. It's like driving a car with your foot to the floor, you will always loose some speed when you come to a hill because you have no more throttle available.

But for sure with 100% throttle the RPM will always be as high as it can be, but it wont be constant.

[tacomaster]

what are you calling hot? hit it with a temp gauge and its 170 or under itll be fine lol. this thing is light and at 90+ percent throttle should be a rocket ship.

[OrbitalGolem]

Originally Posted by Grumpy_Old_Man

It has to bog to some extent if you run 100%. It's like driving a car with your foot to the floor, you will always loose some speed when you come to a hill because you have no more throttle available.

But for sure with 100% throttle the RPM will always be as high as it can be, but it wont be constant.

+1

The motor bogs easily on hard collective funnels and fast tic-tocs at 95% - 100% flat throttle. Any really hard collective maneuvers will bog the motor. I'm running Pulse 1800mAh 45C batts. 80% - 85% governed will not give enough tail authority for hard 3D with the stock tail servo due to the relatively low tail ratio. 90% head-speed is a minimum for acceptable tail behavior. As the battery sags during the flight, the tail behavior worsens, particularly during hard stops.

I run the RotorTech 71mm blades as they're perfectly balanced with the longer tail-shaft.

Enterprise Hobby indicated that Szabo is using RevoMIX. I haven't yet tried that setting as all of BeastX's guidance indicates that RevoMIX is meant as a last-ditch measure when everything else fails. I'll be likely trying an MKS HV93i next.

[Thickfog]

Also. Oomph.

[jetblue2135]

I am using a 100% throttle curve....I don't bother with govs. No lack of power. I have an extra Xnova 2820-1860kv from my X3 that I'm tempted to try on the 470 that has gobs of power..... but not needed.

[denis747]

Originally Posted by heliadict1212

Im running the stock motor/pinion with a HW 60a esc at 90% TC using 45c nanotech lipos. Batteries barely come down warm, ESC is noticeably warm and the motor is HOT after 4m flights. My lipos have 3.8-3.9 per cell upon landing. Im happy with the 470 performance but I feel like theres more to give here and the motor is the limiting factor. Coming down as hot as it is I cant imagine a up in pinion will do anything but kill the motor VERY fast. My gear mesh is perfect btw.

So, when are we going to see some motor upgrades? Ive looked but havent seen anything available yet.

The motor may feel very hot to the touch but test it with an infra red thermometer and it will be only like 40 degrees Celsius. I thought mine was running hot, on a hot day, when I touched it. I bought an infra red thermometer and it only indicated 40 degrees Celsius lol.

[Number]

Originally Posted by tacomaster

what are you calling hot? hit it with a temp gauge and its 170 or under itll be fine lol. this thing is light and at 90+ percent throttle should be a rocket ship.

+1

Originally Posted by denis747

The motor may feel very hot to the touch but test it with an infra red thermometer and it will be only like 40 degrees Celsius. I thought mine was running hot, on a hot day, when I touched it. I bought an infra red thermometer and it only indicated 40 degrees Celsius lol.

Also +1

Your fingers are a terrible way to test temperature. Anything above 140 degrees is just "ow that's hot". You won't feel the difference from 140 to 180. You might feel 200, but only because your skin will be sizzling

Motors don't have a problem with heat. They can be comfortably run at 200F with zero issues.

OP, I don't know what FBL you are running but if it has "pitch boost" or "pitch pump" function, try that. It can add oomph without adding too much load overall.

[Thickfog]

I was messing around yesterday giving her full punch outs. Wow. I think the op has his pitch set incorrectly or something else wrong (bad battery's, cheaper batteries, low c batteries, poor solder joints, incorrect esc settings, not running appropriate rpm, etc). Not sure. This thing takes off like a rocket.

[denis747]

+1. On mine, do a pitch pump and it instantly disappears vertically like a UFO. Lots of power. I am using mini Brain 2 FBL governor (3000 rpm head speed), hobbywing 50 Amp Platinum V3 esc and the Align stock motor.

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[Thickfog]

Yeah, this thing is by far my fastest heli. She moves......!