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Old 10-10-2017, 03:53 PM   #161 (permalink)
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I try to use every bit of free time I have and that seems to have worked. I slotted half hour a day to sim and although I don't do it every single day I am pretty constant now.

My 420 sits with the FBL and all cables out as I changed out the ESC to have full telemetry. I took a bit of time here to solder the battery connectors from EC5 to EC3 (I bought the ESC used) and then another bit of time to change motor bullets.

So I have managed to get some work done. Sadly if a day breaks out when I can actually fly only the 500 will be able to, as the 380 needs a new pinion after I changed the headspeed and the 420 is all needing major wiring work and a few FBL tweaks.

But I seem to have found that even bits and pieces of time here and there can get a lot accomplished. As you can see I ended up doing relatively complex and time-consuming tasks but I broke it down into pieces. You don't need to allocate a lot of time, just a bit here and there. Specially if you propose yourself at least half hour every day it will end up being in your routine and you can use it to finish that 230 and sim at least until you find time to get out and fly.

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I flew 3 packs yesterday, weatherís been rubbish here lately. I have kept myself busy building my Protos 380 though!

Will definitely still keep flying my 230S though, love this heli :thumbup


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Yeah. Been following that P380

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Will definitely still keep flying my 230S though, love this heli :thumbup


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Iíve enjoyed myself so much with the build! The integrated telemetry and Brain2 capability is awesome, how you getting on with your 420 setup now?


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Well I did it on the G380 first even though it has a 60A ESC. But although I don't get flight pack telemetry I get ESC and temp so I was able to test out that everything works.

The 420 is halfway done with the ESC installed but need to finish the wiring, iKon setup and radio setup.

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Old 10-17-2017, 10:28 AM   #166 (permalink)
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I got my 230s late spring and can't thank myself enough for getting a night version. When I finish work these days it's dark already but I can still clock up some airtime. I must admit regular blades perform better in the day time but having both is the bussiness.
My gensace 800th's get me 5min flights. Feels like bigger battery would be good for practicing but I'm worried it would feel heavy.

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It was great flying weather here in south east England today. Wall to wall blue sky and zero wind. I put five packs through the heli in the time I had available today and it flew perfectly. I've only had the heli a short time but I've made more progress with it than I ever did with my 180. I am so glad I bought it. I've improved my inverted hover no end, stall turns, tick tocs and lots of bigger sky maneuvers. All in all I've had about one hour twenty minutes of flying time with it without any issues. I just get on with this heli and I just fought with the 180. If anyone wants a flying 180 BNF with a comprehensive box of spares PM me.
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I flew it today. Only flew two batteries as it was beginning to get dark.It was a bit windy today so I got bounced around a bit but no matter, the 230S handles the wind pretty well. In fact I enjoy a spot of wind, makes the flight a bit more challenging.
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It was great flying weather here in south east England today. Wall to wall blue sky and zero wind. I put five packs through the heli in the time I had available today and it flew perfectly. I've only had the heli a short time but I've made more progress with it than I ever did with my 180. I am so glad I bought it. I've improved my inverted hover no end, stall turns, tick tocs and lots of bigger sky maneuvers. All in all I've had about one hour twenty minutes of flying time with it without any issues. I just get on with this heli and I just fought with the 180. If anyone wants a flying 180 BNF with a comprehensive box of spares PM me.
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I'm still pretty new to RC copters. Had a MCX2, then a V911, and as of last month got a 230S. First CP, and loving it. Already been through a few tail rotors, a tail boom, a landing skid, and on the last pack I flew last week, (pack #9) I set it down real hard and broke the skids and the frame.

So I got to experience rebuilding. I ended up putting a skid from a 300 on it, cause my local shop was out of 230 skids. I kinda like the wider stance.

So I got done with the rebuild, thought I took good notes about the servo wiring, but no.

This thread got me straighened out.

https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=716456

I flew one pack at lunch today, just hovering out back at work, under a bunch of trees in a moderate breeze. Kinda scary, but no incidents...it is real stable, still. Flew my other five battery packs after work. No incidents, just a fun session.

I'm definitely hooked. Gonna add some LEDs to help with orientation when it's far away. A friend at work hooked me up with some mil-spec LEDs. The white ones are WAY bright running them at 3 volts each. The white ones are 3mm, gonna put a pair up front like headlights.

The idea is when it's far away and I lose orientation, I can stop and pirouette until I see the two lights pointing at me, then go forward. Almost lost it twice now due to losing orientation.

The red and green are huge, I think 10mm. Gonna wire them up for now, made custom mounts that sit in-between the skids right now, but ultimately, I want some 3mm blinking ones for the nav lights, and mount them up inside. The big ones look kinda goofy.
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I'm still pretty new to RC copters. Had a MCX2, then a V911, and as of last month got a 230S. First CP, and loving it. Already been through a few tail rotors, a tail boom, a landing skid, and on the last pack I flew last week, (pack #9) I set it down real hard and broke the skids and the frame.

So I got to experience rebuilding. I ended up putting a skid from a 300 on it, cause my local shop was out of 230 skids. I kinda like the wider stance.

So I got done with the rebuild, thought I took good notes about the servo wiring, but no.

This thread got me straighened out.

https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=716456

I flew one pack at lunch today, just hovering out back at work, under a bunch of trees in a moderate breeze. Kinda scary, but no incidents...it is real stable, still. Flew my other five battery packs after work. No incidents, just a fun session.

I'm definitely hooked. Gonna add some LEDs to help with orientation when it's far away. A friend at work hooked me up with some mil-spec LEDs. The white ones are WAY bright running them at 3 volts each. The white ones are 3mm, gonna put a pair up front like headlights.

The idea is when it's far away and I lose orientation, I can stop and pirouette until I see the two lights pointing at me, then go forward. Almost lost it twice now due to losing orientation.

The red and green are huge, I think 10mm. Gonna wire them up for now, made custom mounts that sit in-between the skids right now, but ultimately, I want some 3mm blinking ones for the nav lights, and mount them up inside. The big ones look kinda goofy.
Hi,

Transitioning to a CP heli is quite a jump and I think that learning to hit TH or maybe in the case of this heli, the panic button is not easy. When I got into a tight spot I used to keep pulling the throttle back which just kept banging the heli in on max neg pitch.

Rather than fitting orientation lights I would recommend practicing flying it fairly close to you. If you go far away then it is so easy to lose the orientation. and not be able to control it. Do hovering and then expand this to flying in circles and figure of eights but all the time keeping the helicopters speed under control and the circuits fairly tight. When you can do this fairly well climb a bit just in front of you when you get to practicing flips and rolls etc . At first the heli will likely come out of the maneuver dashing off in some direction but your mastery of circuit skills will allow you to catch the heli and keep it near to you.
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Yeah, I still have a pretty steep learning curve. I think a sim is the next "thing-to-get".

Believe me, when it was "out there" those two times, it wasn't by design! It just kinda got away from me in the wind.
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Yeah, I still have a pretty steep learning curve. I think a sim is the next "thing-to-get".

Believe me, when it was "out there" those two times, it wasn't by design! It just kinda got away from me in the wind.
I appreciate that, these heli's can get away from you pretty easily. This is why I am amazed at the top 3D flyers on You Tube how they pole these helis around and yet they are 100% in control all the time. To be honest I don't have a clue how to do that kind of flying where the tail is continually spining and yet the direction of the heli is fully controlled. A sim is a very good tool. I have an older copy of Phoenix which helps me.but it isn't quite like actual flying. One thing I would say with the sim is that when you use it make every effort not to crash the heli. I know crashes are free in the sim but I found that the mental attitude of crashing seemed to overflow into my actual flying.
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Yes. Pro pilots have amazing reflexes and many of them have a natural ability for this. But it does take them quite a while to learn. Very few of them will take a short time to start doing really difficult maneuvers. Many of the pros have been flying for years from a young age. And many others just practice a long time.

For us regular human beings it takes a long time with the short time to be able to allocate to practice. I will be 3 years in next March and I am still trying to learn all my orientations.

The single most important cause of slow progress though is fear of crashing. I actually lived that. I was doing basically only tail-in hover and crashing constantly. When I tried some FFF (fast forward flight or side to side in a straight line across the field) I had one my most terrible crashes. But on the sim I was able to hover inverted, do stall turns, flips and rolls. Once I almost crashed a little 230S on a very bad inverted hover attempt and saved it by pushing Rescue. That, for me, removed the psychological barrier of crashing and I was able to fly high and try everything I was doing on the sim. So literally overnight my progression gave a huge leap forward.

It is key to find a way to remove that fear of crashing. Usually a small inexpensive heli will help. Some buy a couple of the same to crash one, and have the other for reference and to keep flying even if with a bit more reserve until both are fixed and you can start trying new things again. That is how you progress quickly. But yes, it does take time for the brain to adapt and it's different for each person.

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I appreciate that, these heli's can get away from you pretty easily. This is why I am amazed at the top 3D flyers on You Tube how they pole these helis around and yet they are 100% in control all the time. To be honest I don't have a clue how to do that kind of flying where the tail is continually spining and yet the direction of the heli is fully controlled. A sim is a very good tool. I have an older copy of Phoenix which helps me.but it isn't quite like actual flying. One thing I would say with the sim is that when you use it make every effort not to crash the heli. I know crashes are free in the sim but I found that the mental attitude of crashing seemed to overflow into my actual flying.
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Keep up the good work. I'm no 3d flyer and my passion is scale helicopters, which I do not own. So, I just recently got the MH speed fuselage for scale appearance to sooth my craving. I already had the led night flyer set which is nice for orientaion. With the night blades on, I can fly it better than in the day. Since then, I've been going to the field(day) and flying it with the Blade CF mains and MH CF tail blades, and wow what a difference good blades make. I can do smooth circuits, dives with some funnel, speed up and slow down the curcuit, etc. Mind you, I'm using self leveling swash plate because it gets way out of my control quick without it. The only thing is with this software, it limits banking, pitch etc. I know there are receivers out there that allow self leveling and you set the limits, but they are real pricey, so having fun with as is. Since safe has come out. its only a matter of time until Blade will offer self leveling swash with out angle limiting all while in idle up. Show us some pics of your bird. Mine is on here somewhere, no repeat pics, oh well.
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Yes. Pro pilots have amazing reflexes and many of them have a natural ability for this. But it does take them quite a while to learn. Very few of them will take a short time to start doing really difficult maneuvers. Many of the pros have been flying for years from a young age. And many others just practice a long time.

For us regular human beings it takes a long time with the short time to be able to allocate to practice. I will be 3 years in next March and I am still trying to learn all my orientations.

The single most important cause of slow progress though is fear of crashing. I actually lived that. I was doing basically only tail-in hover and crashing constantly. When I tried some FFF (fast forward flight or side to side in a straight line across the field) I had one my most terrible crashes. But on the sim I was able to hover inverted, do stall turns, flips and rolls. Once I almost crashed a little 230S on a very bad inverted hover attempt and saved it by pushing Rescue. That, for me, removed the psychological barrier of crashing and I was able to fly high and try everything I was doing on the sim. So literally overnight my progression gave a huge leap forward.

It is key to find a way to remove that fear of crashing. Usually a small inexpensive heli will help. Some buy a couple of the same to crash one, and have the other for reference and to keep flying even if with a bit more reserve until both are fixed and you can start trying new things again. That is how you progress quickly. But yes, it does take time for the brain to adapt and it's different for each person.
I think that the top pilots must have just an amazing natural ability to do this sort of thing.
I've been flying about 4 years and progressed up from a contra rotating heli through fixed pitch to CP. My first CP was a 130X but I bought a MCPX BL because of the expense and work/time involved repairing the 130X. The MCPX BL taught me the basics of CP flying and I still have it in operational condition although I don't fly it much. I found the same with the sim in that I can do way more on the sim than in real life and it is crashing that prevents me trying a lot of advanced stuff. To me crashing seems to generate two set of problems, the immediate breakages and then consequent failures, like you will find the tail motor pack up or something.
The guys at the local model shop think I can fly better than most and put together a reasonable display of smooth aerobatics but I just can't do this hard 3D stuff so I will stick with my limitations. At the moment I am trying to perfect tick tocs.
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I have an older copy of Phoenix which helps me.but it isn't quite like actual flying.
Phoenix offers free updates. Just need to go to the website or use the update feature within the program. Might be worth trying. They've supposedly made major changes to pretty much everything for a more realistic experience
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Are you proficient at all the basics?

I call basics the following:

Stable hover in all upright and inverted orientations.

Circuits in all upright and inverted, CW and CCW, forward and reverse.

That's more than I can do. I am working on inverted reverse circuits currently. They are hard.

Once that is done my next goal is funnels tail down only, inverted and upright, CW and CCW.

Once that is done in theory I should be able to start giving a shot at the "stir maneuvers" starting with the piro-flip. It blows my mind some pilots achieve piro-flips in the first year or two. I think this season I can only MAYBE get the funnels if I stick to my daily half hour sim practice.

Then of course I have to overcome my fear of moving that to reality :/

I am doing tic tocs for a good while now, basically just trying to get them but without constant deliberate practice like the basics. Still not as good as I would want them to be

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I've been flying about 4 years and progressed up from a contra rotating heli through fixed pitch to CP. My first CP was a 130X but I bought a MCPX BL because of the expense and work/time involved repairing the 130X. The MCPX BL taught me the basics of CP flying and I still have it in operational condition although I don't fly it much. I found the same with the sim in that I can do way more on the sim than in real life and it is crashing that prevents me trying a lot of advanced stuff. To me crashing seems to generate two set of problems, the immediate breakages and then consequent failures, like you will find the tail motor pack up or something.
The guys at the local model shop think I can fly better than most and put together a reasonable display of smooth aerobatics but I just can't do this hard 3D stuff so I will stick with my limitations. At the moment I am trying to perfect tick tocs.
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Are you proficient at all the basics?

I call basics the following:

Stable hover in all upright and inverted orientations.
Upright, yes I can hover tail in and nose in. Inverted I am ok nose in but no so tail in.
Circuits in all upright and inverted, CW and CCW, forward and reverse. Circuits upright but very limited inverted

That's more than I can do. I am working on inverted reverse circuits currently. They are hard. Your ahead of me here

Once that is done my next goal is funnels tail down only, inverted and upright, CW and CCW.

Once that is done in theory I should be able to start giving a shot at the "stir maneuvers" starting with the piro-flip. It blows my mind some pilots achieve piro-flips in the first year or two. I think this season I can only MAYBE get the funnels if I stick to my daily half hour sim practice.

Then of course I have to overcome my fear of moving that to reality I am talking reality

I am doing tic tocs for a good while now, basically just trying to get them but without constant deliberate practice like the basics. Still not as good as I would want them to be

I think just keep up the practice and when flying for real just small safe steps.
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My personal approach is to avoid crashes at all costs. Sure crashes can happen but can be significantly reduced by getting a good grip on the basics, while flying for real on what you are either proficient on, or can easily bail out of.

As my example.

For real:
Tail-in hover
FFF
Tic tocs (tail down and aileron)
Stall turns
Piro stall turns (or whatever they are called, basically a stall turn with a piro)
Upright CW circuits
Funnels tail down, upright, CW (although sadly I thought I was able to bail out from them and destroyed my Goblin 380 recently, still saving up $$ to recover).
Back flips
Rolls (although not as common to do them)
Inverted hover
Inverted punch out with piro
FFF inverted (scary, I usually bail out half way through the field)
Baby auto landings

Sim:
All of the above plus:
4 point static hover, inverted and upright, CW and CCW
Circuits and hurricanes all orientation and directions EXCEPT reverse inverted CW and CCW although have to admit still some work needs to be done on upright reverse.
Funnels upright tail down CW, working on CCW

Quite a gap but what happens to me is that a bad crash really brings me down. On my very latest flight videos after the crash I stopped doing many things I was comfortable with (of course no funnels at all) just out of fear of crashing. Slowly recovering.

My plan is to hit the sim hard until I can master my current goals up to funnels all directions tail down so I can transition between upright and inverted on a figure 8 and then start slowly moving to reality.

The point here is it takes a very long time. Crashes, at least to me, make that process even slower. I have been giving serious thought at flying my big helis at the very basic of my skills and try new things on a small heli that is cheap to crash. I have been given a lot of advice of what this heli could be but they all are still a bit expensive to be able to crash them regularly. I am seriously considering going back to a Blade 230S. The Oxy 3 is another good choice but they only one I like is the Tareq Edition and that can also be expensive to crash hehe.

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Are you proficient at all the basics?

I call basics the following:

Stable hover in all upright and inverted orientations.
Upright, yes I can hover tail in and nose in. Inverted I am ok nose in but no so tail in.
Circuits in all upright and inverted, CW and CCW, forward and reverse. Circuits upright but very limited inverted

That's more than I can do. I am working on inverted reverse circuits currently. They are hard. Your ahead of me here

Once that is done my next goal is funnels tail down only, inverted and upright, CW and CCW.

Once that is done in theory I should be able to start giving a shot at the "stir maneuvers" starting with the piro-flip. It blows my mind some pilots achieve piro-flips in the first year or two. I think this season I can only MAYBE get the funnels if I stick to my daily half hour sim practice.

Then of course I have to overcome my fear of moving that to reality I am talking reality

I am doing tic tocs for a good while now, basically just trying to get them but without constant deliberate practice like the basics. Still not as good as I would want them to be

I think just keep up the practice and when flying for real just small safe steps.
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