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View Poll Results: New Logo 800 options (12s or 14s)
12s for a lighter set up 11 44.00%
14s for more power 12 48.00%
Not sure yet 2 8.00%
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Old 03-17-2019, 07:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wondering what other's are looking to do.
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If i build one i won´t to have a Scorpion 5035 motor in it and most of them are rated 12S.
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Really waiting to see the pricing for kit with blades.
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Given the light weight, a 750-760mm rotor would go really well with this machine as well. Or perhaps using a very light blade like the Rail806 - if your flight style isn't aggressive and you're more of a sport/mild 3D pilot, you'd be perfectly fine on 12S. On 12S I would run a minimum of a 200A ESC however and good quality name brand packs with high discharge to keep the system happy. I also would not push past 1900rpm on 12S.

If your style is more aggressive and you plan on running higher rpm's I would go 14S and be safe. Still going with a 200A ESC - however, if you go 14S and your flight style is not aggressive, you might be fine with a 160A. If you plan on running the heavy 813mm Edge/Switch blade, i'd go with 14S for sure, especially north of 1900rpm. These blades hit hard but they suck some juice.

I went 16S with my Xxtreme and don't regret it. Pretty aggressive 3D flights @2000rpm yield 4min and my batteries come down at luke warm.

In summary, most people would be fine on this machine with 12S dependent on blade choice, rpm, and flight style. If you're planning on pushing the limits on 2/3 of those categories, do yourself a favor and go 14S. You'll be glad you did.
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I have Gob and Protos 770s both on 14S.

First, I don't think that the weight difference is all that much. Guess it depends upon specific batteries, but it doesn't have to be. I believe that a lot of 7S 4400 and 6S 5000 packs are in the same ballpark for mass.

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I have Gob and Protos 770s both on 14S.

First, I don't think that the weight difference is all that much. Guess it depends upon specific batteries, but it doesn't have to be. I believe that a lot of 7S 4400 and 6S 5000 packs are in the same ballpark for mass.

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The claimed weight savings on the new machine vs old is 700 grams. That is the equivalent of taking a 4540 sized motor worth of weight out of the frame.

If we assume a ~14 pound AUW, 700g is about 11% weight savings bringing that down to about 12.5 pounds.

If we assume a 9 pound 800xxtreme (old version) weight with no packs, 700g is about a 17% weight savings........i'd say that's pretty substantial.

What pack you choose to run (and voltage) is another story, but in terms of a pure weight comparison, this is a big improvement.
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Sounds like a good helicopter to run low headspeed on.
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So whats a known good 14s motor that packs a good wallop , doesn't kill lipos etc. I'm guessing the pyros will be great. I had an xnova 4530-480 was good but not mind boggling power though.
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So whats a known good 14s motor that packs a good wallop , doesn't kill lipos etc. I'm guessing the pyros will be great. I had an xnova 4530-480 was good but not mind boggling power though.
Any 4530-4535 or equivalent Pyro 800/850 in 400-480kv will do the job. The rest is in the setup, gearing, tuning, rpm, etc to get it moving. The 800 requires pretty aggressive roll/agility/rpm/gov settings to get it feeling more nimble. The large size and weight is a big obstacle. I basically maxed out most settings and sacrificed a bit of flight time to get it feeling more like a 750ish machine rather than an 813.

The original kits shipped with a scorpion 5035 for more torque. A pretty sick setup for this new lighter machine I think would be a Xnova Tareq 50xx 450kv. With the lower weight I’d love to try that out.

I do have a Scorp 4535 450 BNIB if anyone needs one. PM me.
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The claimed weight savings on the new machine vs old is 700 grams. That is the equivalent of taking a 4540 sized motor worth of weight out of the frame.

If we assume a ~14 pound AUW, 700g is about 11% weight savings bringing that down to about 12.5 pounds.

If we assume a 9 pound 800xxtreme (old version) weight with no packs, 700g is about a 17% weight savings........i'd say that's pretty substantial.

What pack you choose to run (and voltage) is another story, but in terms of a pure weight comparison, this is a big improvement.
My weight reference was strictly to the difference between 12S v. 14S packs, hence power systems. I wasn't talking about the A/Fs...

I have an XTS 4530-480 in the Goblin and it has LOTS of power. I have a XTS 4535-460 in the Protos, and it's ridiculous - you can hear it strain the drive train...
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14s no doubt about it for me. As blade size increases, I've found amp draw goes up considerably when I start smacking it around.
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