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Old 04-22-2019, 05:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Re: STARTING OVER with the 180CFX
Would HeliFreakers share their experiences of owning the 180CFX and suggest what they would do if they were STARTING OVER?
There are some closing down sale offers now that the 180CFX is nearing the end of its commercial life and as the new owner of a pre-loved and as yet unflown 180 I am aware of the temptation to buy "cheap" upgrades which may have doubtful "benefits". Is the best advice "If in doubt do nowt"?
With the benefit of hindsight what would you do? Any information gratefully received.
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Old 04-22-2019, 07:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I made clutched torque tubes. Saves the gears.

Lynx front aluminum tail mount.
Better skids. Stock break easily.
Metal gears for the servos.
Metal servo tops.

Other than that it was awesome and reliable after these few changes.

Some like the lynx aluminum swash. I was 50/50 on that. Felt better, but didn't know if this was placebo effect.

It's a great handling heli and lots of fun.
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Definitely do the 'servo saver' mod. I cut a slit in each of the cyclic servo arms and the servos have survived at least three crashes without stripping the plastic gears. You have to 'reset' them to 90 after the crash though.

Check the bullet connectors on the main motor and repair or reinforce the solder joints if necessary. Also try to route those wires to the ESC without the sharp bends and wire-cramming as the heli comes stock. The velcro strap is routed through that area and every time you change the battery you end up flexing the wires and eventually one or more of the motor bullets breaks off. I mount my ESC to the outside of the frame - now the wires gently bend and are not crammed at all.

Slowing it down allowed me to enjoy the heli even more since I'm not a smack-3D pilot.

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Oh yeah. Do the servo saver mod as fr4 said. Another headache saver for plastic or metal gears.
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I use the skids for the Align 250 which gives the 180 a much stabler takeoff and landing base easy to mod, plus I use the 180 torque tube as a tail push rod just cut to proper length and epoxy in wire connectors and eliminate the flimsy wire
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I made clutched torque tubes. Saves the gears.

Lynx front aluminum tail mount.
Better skids. Stock break easily.
Metal gears for the servos.
Metal servo tops.

Other than that it was awesome and reliable after these few changes.

Some like the lynx aluminum swash. I was 50/50 on that. Felt better, but didn't know if this was placebo effect.

It's a great handling heli and lots of fun.
Thanks Thickfog. Your reference to a placebo effect is very much to the point. It is all subjective when deciding if any changes are warranted. By your reference to the Lynx front aluminium tail mount I guess you mean this?
https://www.amainhobbies.com/lynx-he...yx1616/p490647

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I use the skids for the Align 250 which gives the 180 a much stabler takeoff and landing base easy to mod, plus I use the 180 torque tube as a tail push rod just cut to proper length and epoxy in wire connectors and eliminate the flimsy wire
Thanks zeplen55. The torque tube mod is a new one to me.
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Old 04-22-2019, 11:01 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I use the Lynx Stretch Kit on nearly all My 180CFX's...LX1523

Solved any tail issues - comes with servo rod and ball link for the servo arm - tail boom - torque tube - boom supports - main blades - tail blades - 9T pinion

I never changed a pinion...just used the stock blades to increase tail authority

If you can find one...it's the absolute best upgrade this heli can have
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I use the Lynx Stretch Kit on nearly all My 180CFX's...LX1523

Solved any tail issues - comes with servo rod and ball link for the servo arm - tail boom - torque tube - boom supports - main blades - tail blades - 9T pinion

I never changed a pinion...just used the stock blades to increase tail authority

If you can find one...it's the absolute best upgrade this heli can have
So,JonJet, to be absolutely clear, you sourced the LX1523 kit and did not use the 9T pinion or the 180 mm main rotor blades but retained the 10T pinion and 160 mm (155 mm?) main rotor blades from your original 180CFX with the 36 mm tail rotor blades from the kit. Correct?
Is the rest of your 180CFX stock?
Any information gratefully received.
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So,JonJet, to be absolutely clear, you sourced the LX1523 kit and did not use the 9T pinion or the 180 mm main rotor blades but retained the 10T pinion and 160 mm (155 mm?) main rotor blades from your original 180CFX with the 36 mm tail rotor blades from the kit. Correct?
Is the rest of your 180CFX stock?
Any information gratefully received.
Correct...

I used everything in the Stretch Kit except the pinion and main blades

It flies much better...no bogging and more tail authority

Most of My 180CFX fleet has been sold...most did have a few upgrades...swash - servo savers - nothing major

But the best flying models I had ALL had the stretch kit as above
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Thanks Thickfog. Your reference to a placebo effect is very much to the point. It is all subjective when deciding if any changes are warranted. By your reference to the Lynx front aluminium tail mount I guess you mean this?
https://www.amainhobbies.com/lynx-he...yx1616/p490647
Yes! My mount would let loose constantly and break too easily. This was magical.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:20 AM   #12 (permalink)
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+1 for the Align 250 skids, if you can still find them. They are heavier, but tougher than woodpecker lips!
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As for a landing skid upgrade, I recommend Lynx "Ultraflex". Nice and wide and , so far, indestructible. They also have a spot on them that makes mounting a satellite receiver very easy(I need it for the IK2N micro FBL). Also, as far as upgrades to make the "180CFX" experience, more enjoyable, servo savers, metal gears and Lynx tail boom supports are a must. I wouldn't recommend the 180 as a trainer, to anyone, but if that's what you start with and make it to "Sport Flyer" status, get carbon blades.

Hindsight is 20/20 but "Starting Over" I'd just build an Oxy2!
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Old 05-02-2019, 09:08 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Keep it bone stock and tame it down if you're not a hard core 3D pilot - (I highly recommend FR4-Pilot's excellent "taming-it-down" blog). You'll need to get a Castle link adapter to program the Talon 15 governor mode. The only needed "upgrade" is the servo saver mod (and/or possibly a set of metal gear cyclic servos - I think the latest gen comes stock with them). And get some spare torque tubes, main gears and tail gears. I did upgrade my skids to the Lynx - they raise the tail a bit and give it a "TDRish" look.

Worked for me!

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Old 05-02-2019, 01:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks Ridge-Runner !
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Here's my list of 'must do's' that made a difference for me in how mine flies (and how well it crashes). I've got about 400 flights on mine and owned it for a few years.
I'm no smack 3d pilot so beginner 3d and sport is where I'm at.

1. Servo saver mod
2. Lynx boom clamp metal bits
3. Metal servo tops
4. Lynx swashplate
5. Change fbl to another brand micro fbl
6. H3060 tail servo
7. Scotch tape on tail end of boom when attaching the tailbox
8. Different colour blade/tail blades/boom/canopy to aid with visibility


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1. Cut the servo spline as detailed in posts elsewhere on this board. My experience : after doing this You can keep those plastic geared servos as theyre very unlikely to strip once this has been done
2. My booms were constantly not quite holding and could be quite easily rotated slightly, added these on the stock boom block and problem solved, boom held rock solid , https://www.lynxheli.com/product_inf...7fc8f9b46c339a
3. Those stock servo plastic tabs : nightmare and they break if you look at them wrong! Change to these and all problems solved
4. Bit more subjective but I think I saw an improvement in 'locked in-ness' when I changed to this
5. Biggest improvement by far in how it flies better + having rescue invaluable I went with micro brain 2 but I think any micro fbl well known brand would provide same performance improvement
6. I find the stock tail box can sometimes twist even after screwing it down so adding a strip of this on back of boom then putting tailbox over it, while being a pita, removes that
7. The ds76tj is a bit jittery and doesn't hold up well in a crash, h3060 is a solid servo that holds tail well and has more longevity. Note I also had to use this because I wanted to install servo in stock location : https://www.lynxheli.com/product_inf...7fc8f9b46c339a which I believe means you need https://www.lynxheli.com/product_inf...7fc8f9b46c339a
8. The 180 is small so any aid in visibility helps when U end up in some weird orientation, thus I've played with various options of colours. All help so mix and match

I've also tried lynx landing gear. It's good for visibility but is a bit heavier and far from unbreakable. After having a few of these Ive gone back to stock since expense of buying new ones wasn't worth it and the 180 is a bit heavy as it is

Adding all of my list above not cheap but my 180 now flies AND CRASHES way better than when it was stock!
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Re: STARTING OVER with the 180CFX
Would HeliFreakers share their experiences of owning the 180CFX and suggest what they would do if they were STARTING OVER?
There are some closing down sale offers now that the 180CFX is nearing the end of its commercial life and as the new owner of a pre-loved and as yet unflown 180 I am aware of the temptation to buy "cheap" upgrades which may have doubtful "benefits". Is the best advice "If in doubt do nowt"?
With the benefit of hindsight what would you do? Any information gratefully received.
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Just the servo saver mod to start with...one of the best flying helis out of the box so don't change it unless you are dissatisfied with something...

Also, may want to stretch it to make it more "floaty", depending on your skill and goals...
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:49 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Many thanks to sleeperaus and heli227 for their input to this thread.
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