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Old 10-22-2019, 01:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default MCPX main motor replacement/substitute

Does anyone have a line on a good or workable replacement for the MCPX main motor? Can the MCPS main motor be made to work?

I don't particularly want to convert to brushless, FWIW.

I have a stockpile of parts on hand, but I am trying to think ahead and keep this little guy flying for as long as I can.

For instance, these look to be the right general shape, but other than that I know nothing about them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4x-Rc-Motor...AAAOSwvL1b283c
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Old 10-22-2019, 02:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Those will not work...

The shape is a bit wrong

HH and Syma do not trade technology

Other than the stock motor there isn't much else besides brushless
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I am sure that those motors are not proprietary to HH. They have to have been sourcing them from somewhere, and "somewhere" means "somewhere in the People's Republic of China".

The trick is to find out where in China that is.
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I would guess that a discontinued motor that was fairly inept at it's purpose would not serve the Chinese to re-purpose...

HH gave them another parts order and they moved on to the newest best thing and future business

Keep in mind that few items are Chinese from a tech standpoint...they are simply assembling per instructions
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I can almost bet you that the MCPX motor core was already an off-the-shelf part, something that HH re-purposed, not something proprietary to HH. Companies, especially at this price point, rarely use custom-designed components if they don't have to.

Just like the electronics in the 3-in-1s are all made from off-the-shelf components.

And in fact, the MCPS motor is apparently identical, or at least has the same part number (BLH3503) as the MCPX. If the MCPS had a different motor, it would have an MCPS part number, something like BLH5103.

So the motor was apparently still available from somewhere when the MCPS came on line.
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I can almost bet you that the MCPX motor core was already an off-the-shelf part, something that HH re-purposed, not something proprietary to HH. Companies, especially at this price point, rarely use custom-designed components if they don't have to.

Just like the electronics in the 3-in-1s are all made from off-the-shelf components.

And in fact, the MCPS motor is apparently identical, or at least has the same part number (BLH3503) as the MCPX. If the MCPS had a different motor, it would have an MCPS part number, something like BLH5103.

So the motor was apparently still available from somewhere when the MCPS came on line.
You would be correct...

But the source was the parts list and assembly instructions from HH's BLH3503...including the packaging

Keep in mind that the average Chinese assembly facility does not get created by the wiz-kid grads of Schenzen University's Science and Technology Dept
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New old stock MCPX motors are available multiple places (New Creations RC, Hawk-RC, multiple EBAY sites). Are you worried about them running out, or saving money? They are pricey at $12, but then finding a Chinese motor and then adding a pinion and connector probably costs as much. I wouldn't try to tell you what to do, but I would buy a couple spares now while they are still available.
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Unless I am misreading, the parts list in the MCPS manual does include BLH51XX numbers where appropriate, namely, the canopy and 3-in-1.

So Blade was using off-the-shelf parts.
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Unless...

The afore-mentioned BLH51XX parts stock may have been depleted...

So additional parts orders are placed to provide for the new model need

Just because it's the same part number doesn't mean they have always had the parts...or have them in bulk on Chinese shelves

When stock runs out and they need more...they just place an order

That order will include a component list and assembly instructions...which the Chinese will follow to the letter and produce

HH doesn't order motors or boards...they send instructions for the completed item to be created/assembled/packaged

I see where Your line of thinking is going...but there isn't an online Chinese store where they have bushel baskets full of every part for any discontinued (or even current) HH model for anyone to buy

The Chinese sources HH uses don't create...they follow instructions to produce
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For stuff like motors, HH most definitely does buy off-the-shelf components - just like their MCPX tail motors are 6mm brushed motors, readily available from a variety of sources. HH doesn't design tail motors and then solicit bids - that would be financial insanity when there are perfectly good compnents already available.

Same thing with the 3-in-1 - HH doesn't use proprietary chips when they can configure off-the-shelf stuff.

This is basic supply chain management, Jon. OE auto manufacturers and everyone else does it the same way.
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For stuff like motors, HH most definitely does buy off-the-shelf components - just like their MCPX tail motors are 6mm brushed motors, readily available from a variety of sources. HH doesn't design tail motors and then solicit bids - that would be financial insanity when there are perfectly good compnents already available.

Same thing with the 3-in-1 - HH doesn't use proprietary chips when they can configure off-the-shelf stuff.

This is basic supply chain management, Jon. OE auto manufacturers and everyone else does it the same way.
When you find the shelves let us know
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Here's an example:

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/brushed-...elicopter.html

No longer stocked by HK, but that's not surprising as the MCPX hasn't been produced for some time now.
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The motor is in stock at Horizon.

https://www.horizonhobby.com/main-mo...-mcp-x-blh3503

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Good to know, thanks!
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