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Old 10-12-2020, 09:59 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Should I take this as 'there's nothing special about a V-bar in terms of flight performance'?

The only reason I'm considering trying a V-bar is because I've read that it's a great fbl. I'm willing to sacrifice the lack of integration with my DX8 if it offers excellent performance with a Logo.

I've been flying Spartan and Spirit, but wanting to try something new.
Not ruling out trying Vcontrol down the road if I like V-bar.
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No idea - I've only ever used VBAR with (EDIT: somehow this said without previously) the Vcontrol touch. The other combo I use (the one I started with) is Spektrum + brain2. Since the flying feel seems (to me) to be a combination of the TX and FBL ... I couldn't tell you if one FBL is better than the other. I can tell you the difference is night and day with Vcontrol touch + VBAR vs the Spektrum + brain2 ... the Vcontrol easily wins. But how much of that is the gimbals on the TX not sucking vs the FBL ?
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Should I take this as 'there's nothing special about a V-bar in terms of flight performance'?
I believe that is what he means, as that is my experience also. On it's own (without the VBC radio), the Neo performance is no better than Spirit, Brain2/iKon2, and perhaps other FBL units I have not tried.
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Old 10-12-2020, 12:06 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Go ahead and try it. I was in the same boat, looking to try something new but no way was I going to dive right in with a new transmitter as well since I really like mine. I'm glad I made the switch and couldn't see myself going back.
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Okay, got it. The whole package maybe is what all the adoration is about.
But there are definitely two trains of thought......only with Vcontrol and okay without Vcontrol if you don't mind the extra effort.
I may still try one, and try to save some time tuning by upgrading to the pro to utilize the optimizer.
But would still have to bring the laptop to the field.
Thanks for all the replies!
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Hey Chris. Want to try one? I can lend you one to try it out.

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Okay, got it. The whole package maybe is what all the adoration is about.
But there are definitely two trains of thought......only with Vcontrol and okay without Vcontrol if you don't mind the extra effort.
I may still try one, and try to save some time tuning by upgrading to the pro to utilize the optimizer.
But would still have to bring the laptop to the field.
Thanks for all the replies!
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Its not about it being easier or harder for me ... its more like using a well engineered and thought out product (Vcontrol touch + VBAR NEO + YGE telemetry ESC) vs a thrown together thing that works but could be better (Spektrum + Brain2 + whatever telemetry ESC). It works fine, but is more difficult and cumbersome to deal with. If you are into IT, it's like comparing an open source solution with a good solution from a for profit company. The open source solution might work fine (and might even be cheaper if you ignore the man hours that will go into it), but the journey to get there is more difficult and not straight forward and there might be a lot of finger pointing in the case of failure... I don't know - just my opinion ... I'm sure you know how common opinions are
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Hey Chris. Want to try one? I can lend you one to try it out.

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Thanks Glen, that's very nice! I'd certainly love to try it out.
I'll pm you.
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I would agree not to bother with a Neo without the Vcontrol. Thatís not to say it doesnít fly great, it does, exactly the same with your Spektrum vs a Vcontrol. In many ways it flies better off the bench than your Ikon and Spirit. However youíd be giving up all integration, telemetry and remote tuning by running another transmitter. Itís also useless on nitro or gas without a Vcontrol because there is no way to adjust the idle without a computer or Vcontrol.

The Neo is awesome. It has the best rescue on the market and some really great unique features. None of which over ride the disadvantages of it over most other controllers when using it without the Mikado radio.


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I am all in with VBCt and Neo's, but I consider Spirit Pro rescue feature to be overall superior to Neo.
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I am all in with VBCt and Neo's, but I consider Spirit Pro rescue feature to be overall superior to Neo.

How so? Iíve got Spirit Pro and Spirit 2 in helis and Iíve had them rescue off at angles multiple times. Iíve never had a Neo rescue fail, even on gassers.


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Old 10-12-2020, 09:26 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I owned and flew 7 Spirit Pros. All electric helis. I tested rescue during various maneuvers, and I don't recall it ever rescuing other than level. Just my experience. I have not run into issues with rescue with either Brain2 or Neo either. The main reason why I like Spirit rescue better is that Spirit can rescue both upright as well as inverted.
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Old 10-12-2020, 11:19 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Rescue NEO (1 min 30 sec)


Looks like Neo also rescues inverted.
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:05 AM   #53 (permalink)
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rare rescue problems have been seen on both of them mostly due to vibrations. see reports in vbar forum and Spirit forum... some destroyed helis happened on both sides. i've had the problem myself (with firmware 3.0 - only there was a problem for some weeks) on one(!) heli with Spirit 2 - rescue was a bit bent. since 3.1 (already in beta) this was completely gone. the heli had bad vibrations as the new in flight vibration logging in 3.1 was showing then... tail shaft bearing (really) dead.

due to the better integration & telemetry (Jeti) i am almost finished with migration of all my helis from Neo to Spirit 2/RS. with similar setup and flight style settings i would not see one of the both flying really better... not even very different. and i am flying them side by side. only rescue on Spirit has much more features - this cannot be denied (i.e. override or even stop a rescue)

as Eury said - integration & telemetry makes the difference - this is/was the key decision point between both for me too. of course they fly both great without too... BUT...

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due to the better integration & telemetry (Jeti) i am almost finished with migration of all my helis from Neo to Spirit 2/RS.
You are saying that the Jeti + Spirit integration/telemetry is better than the NEO + Vcontrol touch or you are saying that its better than Jeti+VBAR NEO?

I have a hard time imagining what could be better than NEO+Vcontrol touch integration/telemetry - the same maybe ...
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You are saying that the Jeti + Spirit integration/telemetry is better than the NEO + Vcontrol touch or you are saying that its better than Jeti+VBAR NEO?

I have a hard time imagining what could be better than NEO+Vcontrol touch integration/telemetry - the same maybe ...
... its better than Jeti+VBAR NEO... of course
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... its better than Jeti+VBAR NEO... of course
I would believe that ...
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... it's a pity
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It's not surprising. They don't want to support other radios.
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Good thing there is other great flybarless systems out there!

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Good thing there is other great flybarless systems out there!
The area that seems to be lacking is the TX area. What good ones are there? Vcontrol touch ; Jeti (I guess - never touched one) .... ? Futaba maybe?

Most of them are up close to the Vcontrol touch in price (Jeti is cheaper unless you purchase the software unlocks) ... So, unless you are already married to a TX for some reason (planes?) then nothing wrong with their attitude.
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