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Old 06-06-2021, 10:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I used the plugs from Esprit Tech , they work great.
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That makes me think the DS-12 may not be ideal for somebody who flies planes I'm now using nearly every switch location on my DS-14.

It does look as though the DS-12 may have more room between the top row of switches, which would be a welcome improvement if true.

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As a Jeti owner my self (DS16) you might want to look at V control. The V Control system have a very nice integrated system with a nice touch screen and very user friendly menu system.


The jeti does allow programming of Sprite, Ikon/Brain2, BD, FBL controllers from the transmitter. However it's very clunky and its text based while the Vcontrol has a nice window like touch screen type interface. The V Control also display's telemetry much nicer. Jeti still does it, it just a little easier and nicer on the V Control.



The V control on the other hand is set up to work with the V Bar control. Others may work, but you lose the integration.
I did consider the Mikado system, especially as I plan to get a Logo 550SE, but what puts me off is that I fly fixed wing too and it seems very expensive to fit a receiver in a cheap foamy.

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Old 06-07-2021, 04:16 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Anyone tried both the Jeti plastic and metal gimbals.

The DS-12 standard and the DS-14 II have plastic gimbals.

The DS-12 Special Edition and the DS-16 have metal gimbals.

I fly fixed wing, nothing special needing lots of controls at the moment but I note the advice that the DS-14 maybe more suitable than the DS-12 for fixed wing.

I知 a life long thumber and although I like the idea of pinching I know that realistically I知 never going to change. So the size of the DS-12 may not be a disadvantage to me.

I知 still leaning towards the DS-12 special because it has the metal gimbals and seems a better value deal, but to be honest I知 not a fan of how it looks. But the desire for metal gimbals is not rational as I have no experience - just a perception that they must be better.

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Old 06-07-2021, 05:39 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I did consider the Mikado system, especially as I plan to get a Logo 550SE, but what puts me off is that I fly fixed wing too and it seems very expensive to fit a receiver in a cheap foamy.

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Yep, the v control is not very friendly for non helicopter usage.
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Anyone tried both the Jeti plastic and metal gimbals.

The DS-12 standard and the DS-14 II have plastic gimbals.

The DS-12 Special Edition and the DS-16 have metal gimbals.
Like I said earlier, I have tried both the plastic and metal gimbals. They feel about the same. I don't think someone could differentiate them in a blind test.
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Like I said earlier, I have tried both the plastic and metal gimbals. They feel about the same. I don't think someone could differentiate them in a blind test.
Correct, I have both on mine (one was a alloy replacement I got cheap) and I would be very surprised if someone could tell which gimbal was alloy and which was plastic.
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Like I said earlier, I have tried both the plastic and metal gimbals. They feel about the same. I don't think someone could differentiate them in a blind test.
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Correct, I have both on mine (one was a alloy replacement I got cheap) and I would be very surprised if someone could tell which gimbal was alloy and which was plastic.
Thanks for the opinions. Yes, I had wondered about this myself. I’ve also been looking at the FrSky X20 and the same questions are being asked there as they also do plastic and metal gimbals.

One of the arguments made for metal gimbals is that they have more bearings, 10 for the metal, 4 for the plastic, so the metal must be better.

My counter, albeit without any real-world experience, is that maybe the metal gimbals have more bearings out of necessity rather than to make them more precise. My argument is that two plastic surfaces moving against each other can be silky smooth whereas two metal surfaces will feel gritty. So maybe you have to put more bearings in metal gimbals just to match the smoothness of plastic. As I said, just my speculation, no real-world experience to back that up.

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Old 06-08-2021, 02:01 AM   #29 (permalink)
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same here... we own 2 DS-12s and a club mate the special edition with metal gimbals... we did compare and we all did not feel any big difference (given the fact all have different tension and stick lengths setup).

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Slightly off-topic, but has anybody here handled a DS-12 and DS-14? From pictures online it seems the top row of switches might have more room between them on the DS-12.

The only complaint I have about the DS-14 is that now I'm needing all the switches, the switches on the top row are too close together, and at the local club I was surprised to find Futaba radios were the same. My Spektrum DX8G2 is far more ergonomic if you want to use all the switches, and you can comfortably rest a finger between those switches.

Jeti being so tight on the top of the radio really surprised me.

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Old 06-08-2021, 08:56 AM   #31 (permalink)
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myx, I have my throttle hold, rescue button, lock switch and telemetry call out all up top and have no problem with them being too close. With that said I have never handled a 14 so cannot compare. Also the lock switch only gets used after throttle hold but can't see it being an issue as it is in the same position as throttle hold just the opposite side.
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Old 06-08-2021, 10:09 AM   #32 (permalink)
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It might be helpful to summarize the main differences between the TXs:

DX12:
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The main thing that can be seen is that the DS12 is different from the DS14 & DS16 by two things:
1). The top of the TX is shorter on the DX12. Looking at the pictures it can be seen that the circle around the gimbal is closer to the bottom of the screen. The top edge, switches are all closer to the gimbals. I’ve never had an issue, being a ‘thumber’. The front switches and knobs are in a good place for me. Top switches are easy to reach as well. The DS14/16 are a little more spaced up, maybe a problem for pinching or too far if you have short fingers.
2). The sliders on the side. DS12 doesn’t have them, the DS14/16 do.
3). Side pads: the DS14/16 had side pads where the 12 doesn’t. (I lied, there’s 3 things then…)

The three models I mentioned all have color screens & pretty sure the switches/knobs have similar cutout/mounting holes (except as noted). l recently saw a how-to on replacing the upper knobs on the DS12 with switches[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.helifreak.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Internally, they have more differences, I think mainly the 2.4Ghz radio (2 vs 4 channel operation?). Metal vs. Plastic. I haven’t dug into it yet but I believe these 3 have similar processors and the same 900MHz-NG radio.

If possible, with any transmitter, it’s nice to see how it feels in your hands. Espirit in the US has a test drive program that was really nice, I was able to see how the TX fit my hands, set up a model, etc…. It’s one of the bigger single investments than you’ll make, best to see how it fits first[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.helifreak.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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If I had the funds and inclnation, I would get a V2 DS 16. I've managed to set my full house sailplane up with the 12, including crow, but the side pots are my preferred way to run crow (left slider) and flaps (right). The 12 is perfect for helis and my V1 16 feels like a brick compared to it.

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If we're talking sailplanes, one unexpected benefit I found of running a sprung throttle stick on Jeti is that it really simplifies crow braking.

I push my left stick up for throttle, it springs to centre for gliding, and I pull back for progressive braking. It works really really well, and is very natural as you come in to land.

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Old 06-09-2021, 02:21 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Why do some here say that the DS-12 is great for helicopters and the DS-14 is best for fixed wing?

What determines that?

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Old 06-09-2021, 04:45 PM   #36 (permalink)
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It comes down to how complex a model you're setting up, how many switches you need, and how many channels. A Heli basically needs 6 channels, and a couple of switches if you want throttle hold and rates. A dial or two for live tuning of gains is a nice to have if your FBL supports mid air tuning.

Planes can be much more demanding, I've added quite a few extra switches to my DS-14 and its pretty much spot on now, but I do at times use both rotary controls, plus the side sliders, and every switch I have. A DS-12 would be a little limiting, and I'm not even flying complex models with landing gear, scale features, or multiple servos per wing.

Once you factor in flaps, flight modes, throttle hold, crow or brakes, gyro modes, trims, etc you can find you're using an awful lot of switches and dials, and a ton of channels. One of my planes consumed 11 channels for the initial tuning and setup, and it's only a foamie!

The airplane and scale market is why the DS-24 exists, it's way overkill for helis, but if you fly planes as well the DS-14, DS-16, or even DS-24 are worth considering.

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Old 06-09-2021, 06:18 PM   #37 (permalink)
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How do you manage 11 channels on a foamy?

I fly fixed wing too, but don稚 think I have ever used more than 6 channels. Never had retracts though, so could see that at 7.

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Old 06-10-2021, 01:53 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Many thanks, been looking for something like this, it is very useful.

Although the DS-14 appears to have as many ‘upgrades’ as the DS-12, you can see from this chart that they are by no means equal. For example there are many in the DS-12 that have ‘zero’ as the base point so if you want that functionality you have no choice but to buy it whereas the DS-12 has ‘some’ as the base point which maybe be enough for your needs so no purchase necessary.

Find it strange that when both are upgraded the DS-12 has more channels than the DS-14.

The weight of the DS-14 may be an issue though - I need to get to a store and try them.

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I was literally just coming here to post the link to that comparison. Esprit just linked it on the main RC Groups Jeti thread. :-)
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...php?p=47280309

In terms of software features / upgrades, the ones I find that I use on a regular basis are:
  • Flight Modes > 3. Spartan Vortex FBL uses 4 modes, and I've used this on planes too.
  • Logical Switches. Don't often use this on helicopters, but it is something I use for runing throttle hold *and* throttle cut for autorotation practice. You can achieve similar with function curves, but logical switches are a really powerful feature once you get your head around them.
  • Sound on Events > 5 or 10. I add sounds for almost every switch to confirm what they do, this one is invaluable.
  • Voice Output. Very useful if you have mAh telemetry as you can have the radio announce the current mAh value once a limit is reached. On my Oxy 4 Max it starts reading out mAh every 3 seconds after I hit 1200, and I know I want to be landing around 1250-1300.

Most of those I'd be upgrading if I had either a DS-12 or DS-14.

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