Spektrum SPM4649T Voltage Advisory

[OnTheSnap]

Right now, 6600T support is almost a zero priority for spektrum. End of the year, maybe, is what I'm hearing.

So yes, write them like crazy. Otherwise it seems they are focused on playing catch up for fpv and quads.

[Caeguy]

I did... and this is their response...

Thank you for contacting Horizon Hobby.

There are no plans presently from Spektrum to update the the AR6600T for srxl.


Well that sounds promising

[mkucuksari]

Originally Posted by Caeguy

I did... and this is their response...

Thank you for contacting Horizon Hobby.

There are no plans presently from Spektrum to update the the AR6600T for srxl.

Well that sounds promising

Great Means they are forcing us to change our Spektrum transmitters

May be a good time to look at other brands

[jrman83]

Originally Posted by mkucuksari

Great Means they are forcing us to change our Spektrum transmitters

May be a good time to look at other brands

I agree

[GravityJunkie]

Originally Posted by mkucuksari

Great Means they are forcing us to change our Spektrum transmitters

May be a good time to look at other brands

This is exactly what had me move. And a big thank you to Spektrum for that. I'm way more happy now!!!

[OnTheSnap]

Just my 2c on their priorities -

It seems their "main problem" is loosing all the market share in fpv (this is a wild guess. As an observer) where the community has standardized on competitors options not theirs. They really lost the battle up front and are trying to recover there.

So here comes a competing fbl system for Heli's making a very compelling solution for a large installed base of brain spektrum users. But as enticing as it is, it pales in comparison to what they've lost market wide in fpv.

With very limited resources and budget constraints, "distractions", despite decent market potential, can't be managed.

The scope of the feature we need in the ar6600 rx is small. And we are doing all the heavy lifting on the fbl side to support their system and even promote it. But it is what it is. They are trying to prioritize to stay relevant.. and heli's are not on the radar. So I expect we will see no change, and best case maybe something appears late 2017 or 2018.

Indeed you'd be better off to enjoy Brain2 at its total potential to move on. But if you are patient or willing to use the 4649T there is even more on the way for you.

[mlp3028]

I moved from Spektrum, so far no regrets

[taterb]

Sorry to say (I like my DX18 & DX9) but I fly heli's and got frustrated with them ignoring us so I have bought a DS-16 and am in the process of converting my heli's over to it (slowly since I have 16 helis now!). I really wanted to to make use of the integration and better telemetry (mA used!) on them. I'm still working on setting up my first one on the DS-16, but so far am liking it!

[Paulieb1979]

This is so annoying MAH consumption has bin around for years freaking years why the Hell is so hard for this simple feature. This is so annoying. About to jump ship from spektrum. Have to go spend a huge amount of money for such an easy simple feature that should be standard by now.

[BrainDev]

In the meantime, I suggest to all to update the AirWare firmware of your Spektrum transmitters to the just released 1.20 version.
Seem that there are many improvements in the telemetry management.
Here some infos:
http://spektrumrc.cachefly.net/AirwareChangelogs.html

[akschu]

To agree with others, and to kick spektrum while they are down:

I can't think of a good reason to use spektrum. I just can't. Their telemetry is awful (no current sensor for mah, expensive, lots of little boxes), their support for serial protocols is awful (no bidirectional, srxl is limited on many RX's), their hardware isn't all that nice (still using pots, plastic, crappy switches, RX recalls), their platform is picky about install (short antenna's on remotes, thin little wires and connectors, low voltage brownouts), and it's not really any cheaper.

Anyway, I went to a drone racing event this last weekend, and it's funny, virtually every radio was a taranis....

[OnTheSnap]

Originally Posted by akschu

Anyway, I went to a drone racing event this last weekend, and it's funny, virtually every radio was a taranis....

I think this last sentence is where the priority is now. The near total loss of market share in the most active growing area of RC is a huge problem. Only reason they finally did a 4649T was the FPV guys. Heli guys have been asking for what the 4649T almost is since 2010. About when Futaba released sbus.

[Caeguy]

Time to start looking at other radios. The Graupner MZ-24 Pro looks compelling.

[flint723]

Originally Posted by Caeguy

Time to start looking at other radios. The Graupner MZ-24 Pro looks compelling.

I have to agree, Graupner keeps looking better and better to replace Spektrum. Really loved touch screen on my old Devo 8, wouldn't mind it in a new tx.

In the mean time still using two 4649t on helis on 7.4v without issue....

[pctomlin]

I wimped out and switched to Jeti, sorry guys.

[godjc]

I

Graupner radio Ok, but telemetry is impossible with this brand !

Before buy a new radio, look if telemetry is possible for yours models.

Me :

Graupner : Impossible more large module
Jeti : More expansive for my four model
Futaba : ? why not ?
Frsky : Impossible (no more RPM Hall Sensor for my nitro)

cordially

[zomaar]

Originally Posted by godjc

I

Graupner radio Ok, but telemetry is impossible with this brand !

Before buy a new radio, look if telemetry is possible for yours models.
Me :

Graupner : Impossible more large module
Jeti : More expansive for my four model
Futaba : ? why not ?
Frsky : Impossible (no more RPM Hall Sensor for my nitro)

cordially

It's all up to which moment you switch, I decided to switch, when I needed another 2 RX and I wanted to fully use the brain2 features. (I also bought those) don't tell my wife.

What do you mean jeti is more expensive with 4 models?

The tx certainly is and if you buy a ds 14 you need to get some modules it's mandatory to get going.
But the RX of jeti are less expensive than the Futaba ones. Rex3 65—70 vs sbus telemetry is easily >110-120

I'm in the process of a 4 model switch futaba to jeti this week
tx and 4 Rex3 costed me 950 euro (1100 $) and I shopped for another 150 € (175 $) after coupon, that was more then I expected but there are some very expensive modules. I could probably have skipped on 2 or 3.

Like voice or action on telemetry.

1 ks Flight Modes - up to 6 ( must needed for heli)
25.00 EUR
1 ks Logicswitches up to 10 (logic sw are the solution for alot of advanced things, ppl seem to need more and more)
12.00 EUR
1 ks Event sounds up to 10 ( with all the events and info fbl send to the tx, ppl seem to use alot of these)
12.00 EUR
1 ks Telemetry analysis via graphs (bought it because the msh app doesn't graph yet, dno if it's useful with the low res screen and low sample rate vs 50 the brain)
25.00 EUR
1 ks Voice output (dno what this does, even without this module my jeti announces idle up auto rotation, but I guess there is more voice??)
25.00 EUR
1 ks Telemetry Controls (bought it, because it was needed to announce a a feature i wanted, but it's in the stock fw by now it seems ��)
35.00 EUR
1 ks Accelerometer ( obvious, shake and do something)
25.00 EUR
1 ks Channels - up to 14 ( default is 8, I wanted to do the full brain 2 setup, calibration dails, without juggling channels around )
35.00 EUR

Every eco system switch will cost money and it will hurt when you switch. This switch cost me 1100 euro. And I suspect another 200 euro, because I need some current measure stuff to to fly on mah on all the switched models. Next models the premium will not be much since I will shop for the right esc's etc...

Damn I learned this week the rescue on vbar is 90€ ..... Damn

[godjc]

I,

Telemetry sensor are expansive, we not talk of RX or TX.

Everybody don't have Brain 2 for internal telemetry. I have 3 brain V 1.0 and one neuron ....

cordially

[BrainDev]

Originally Posted by godjc

I

Graupner radio Ok, but telemetry is impossible with this brand !
......
Futaba : ? why not ?

Please can you better explain this your statement?
With Brain2 you can have on Graupner radios:

ESC Battery Voltage
ESC Battery Current
ESC Battery Used mAh
ESC Power Output
ESC Temperature 1
ESC Temperature 2(HW)
ESC Battery Ripple(CC)
ESC LS RPM
Sensor RPM

This with Castle Creation, Hobbywing, Scorpion and Jive ESC's without the need to spent a penny for buy any other sensor or special devices.

You can set voice, sound and red text alarms threshold.

In annex only some of the many screen choice you can have and use for telemetry

Futaba has an excellent radio transmission system because instead of having to wait for the end of the radio frame to control the final checksum like all other systems, it has parity check control for each transmitted channel that can be processed immediately as soon as it arrives instead of Wait for the end of all channels to be broadcast.
So with Futaba you can have the better latency system.

But Futaba has a very limited telemetry transmission system.
Meanwhile it is a unidirectional system (the transmitter cannot transmit any telemetry command to the receiver) and then the current transmitter software can receive and handle only three bytes for each sensor already defined in transmitter software and unmodifiable (one for the sensor type and two for the value received from that sensor). So, it is also impossible to transmit any kind of text to the Futaba display that anyway is not predisposed for any "custom" display. Furthermore, Futaba transmitters do not have any programming language. So, with Futaba you can have the same telemetry of other brand but it is impossible to implement any kind of "integration" for Futaba transmitters like instead you can with all other system!

[godjc]

I,

For use telemetry, there are tree time :

1 - Collect data : Without brain 2, you must use general electric modul. It's very big and we can't mount on middle helicopter.

2 - Read data on radio : Graph on MZ are impossible to read in flight. Page of numéric Data turn automatically on screen, it's not easy .....

3 - Read data on PC, without brain 2 and MSH soft, Graupner soft is very powerful but not easy to use.

cordialy