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Old 08-07-2012, 07:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Note that you can always use an external RX with a brain, correct? then you can get back all the RX stats.
You can, but no governor (not enough plugs).

I think it wont be long before we see expansion modules for FBL systems as they are getting to be too complex for a single unit to fit all the plugs (especially since you need to fit the gyro trays of smaller helis).
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:25 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Hey guys. Just trying to gather info before going for this.
being it can use two Spek Sats, does that mean the unit itself doubles as a Rx, or do I still need a seperate Rx?

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It acts as a RX when used with satellites.
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Freakin wicked!!! My poor savings account
If I'm using a DX6i, will I be still able to use the auto stability feature with only 6 channels?
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It acts as a RX when used with satellites.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:09 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Otatiaro I think you said the brain has softstart? Does it have autobailout too?
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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In swashplate setup, what are you shooting for when setting up cyclic and +/- pitch? I would imagine you are looking for the maximum +/- pitch you want to run but what about cyclic? Do you go for the max cyclic you want to run like a flybarred heli? Most cyclic before binding occurs like others do?
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After you set your max pitch to +- 12 or whatever, move the collective stick to max positive. I would set the cyclic as high as possible without binding. Then check for binding at full negative collective. That's what I would do.
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After you set your max pitch to +- 12 or whatever, move the collective stick to max positive. I would set the cyclic as high as possible without binding. Then check for binding at full negative collective. That's what I would do.
On some models using other fbl systems this could trigger a boom strike. Is there a separate cyclic ring option?

This is why we need a manual up front.
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On some models using other fbl systems this could trigger a boom strike. Is there a separate cyclic ring option?

This is why we need a manual up front.
I think that is what the + and - for cyclic do here. It defines the max travel of the swash without binding. That's why I would do that setting with collective at max positive and then check with it at max negative. Otherwise, the unit will not know how far it can push the servo arms.

The last page for settings is what defines your roll and flip rates.
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:54 PM   #30 (permalink)
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On some models using other fbl systems this could trigger a boom strike. Is there a separate cyclic ring option?
Yep, cyclic ring under Common/CCPM in Advanced settings.

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Yep, cyclic ring under Common/CCPM in Advanced settings.

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Nice. I had a BeastX setup boom strike on me on an e640 because the limits were too high. Too much pitch can be a very bad thing. (-;
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Is USB connector mini or micro? Based on the picture I would say micro, but product descriptions says mini.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:40 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Is USB connector mini or micro? Based on the picture I would say micro, but product descriptions says mini.
Micro.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:04 AM   #34 (permalink)
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What is the option test mode in advanced menù?

It will nice if in the software will be present a small descriptions of each advanced parameters.

Also i will consider a small improvements on the wizard:

In the menù swashplate selection indicate the front and rear of a heli (with and arrow or a symbol), in my opinion it will be usefull for beginner to understand the difference between swashplate orientation.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:27 AM   #35 (permalink)
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What is the option test mode in advanced menù?
Hard to explain,

It makes the swash behave like you have a 0-0-50-50-50-100-100 pitch curve when you give it collective, but also carries over to cyclic, for accurate setup of 0 pitch, swash leveling and max pitch in both cyclic and collective.

The same way it works in the wizard by default.

I do miss the servo/swash/cyclic menus and pitch calculators on vbar..... I think the wizard is a little too simple, and advanced a little too advanced right now, but maybe I just need to get used to it.

I swapped a mini vbar out for the brain, but I think I will put the vbar back in, run through setup and take measurements between the tips of the blades when folded back and carry them over to the brain.

Might even the playing field when comparing how they fly. The vbar setup was perfect.
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Old 08-09-2012, 11:13 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Got mine hooked up and went through the basic setup. but I have a few more setting I need before taking flight.

1 - Does anyone know how to setup a switch for Autolevel and a switch for setup1,2 and 3 for a JR12x?

2 - Also can someone explain what Check Mode box do?

3 - How do you adjust for pitch? I can adjust for max travel but how do I setup for say 12 degree pitch and 8 degree cyclic?
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1 - Does anyone know how to setup a switch for Autolevel and a switch for setup1,2 and 3 for a JR12x?
Auto level is one of your setups, so you use that switch (though i do plan to mess with mixing so i can force the heli into a particular setup with a different switch).
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Its kind of disappointing how this is setting up at the moment. I am familiar enough with FBL stuff and pretty knowledgeable with my 12X transmitter and have done vbar, 3G, beastx stuff. Really difficult just jumping around looking for answers for setting, I sure hope going through all this it will eventually fly as good as the Vbar.

The biggest trouble is I think the people who designed and tested this thing did not put enough info out there. They say they had this unit for 2 years... come on...

Also how do I tell the system will actually go to setup1, setup 2 and setup 3? when I control the switch on my transmitter. There is no feedback from the unit.

Another thing that is not working for me is that when I replug back the USB to PC the setting is there but there is no indication on the software the button is actually selected?
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Also how do I tell the system will actually go to setup1, setup 2 and setup 3? when I control the switch on my transmitter. There is no feedback from the unit.
Using values on your TX for that channel, the Receiver section of the software (adv and basic) shows which bank is selected. Just play with values for the channel you chose and see what happens.
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I got the aux to channel seven on my 12x, how do i know which way it will be enabled? high or low?

Played with the setup channel and cant get that to work with any channel. I even viewed my tx channel monitor and its showing movement, but nothing on the software
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