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Old 03-28-2016, 10:05 AM   #81
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How do you keep from losing altitude during piro flip?

I give it a little collective before each half to push it up when the disk is flat, but during the piro flip the heli falls a lot. How to keep it from falling?
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:56 AM   #82
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Can you flip, non piro, while holding the model in place?

Isolate the collective for that maneuver and focus on it. It is EXACTLY the same collective inputs required to piro flip.

Timing and degree of collective inputs are everything for holding piroflips in one spot, or moving them around for that matter.
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:47 PM   #83
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Been working on this and the main challenge is that there's a lot more going on with piro flips than with simple flips. First problem when learning is that you're going fairly slowly. You're going to lose altitude until you can get the movements down so you can do them quickly. You also spend a lot of your focus on all the other stuff that's going on, which tends to cause a bit of a delayed reaction with the collective.

Breaking things into parts always helps. Working on just the first half of a half piro flip for an hour in the sim, I was able to eliminate a lot of the altitude loss. Definitely takes practice.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:11 PM   #84
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Awesome but brutal practice tool for piro flips once you start to get the hang of them at altitude...

In Heli-X hover training mode, with full control of all channels, start at the center of the bullseye with the heli just above eye level. The goal is to piro flip without hitting the ground or moving outside the bullseye. Start with just the first half of a half flip (so you end hovering inverted and tail in.) Gradually work up to doing both halves of a full one.
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:19 PM   #85
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What do u think if my half half piro flip

Piroflip Practice day 4 Half of Half a piro flip (2 min 14 sec)


Justbclicked today after a few hiurs prsctice tiday and yesterday.

The first 2 days were another broken down excersise for piroflips.
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Old 02-26-2017, 08:06 AM   #86
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Should I be able to Pyro hover inverted before attempting full Pyro flip? I can pull off the half flip, but full is just to much. Any tips?
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Old 02-26-2017, 01:07 PM   #87
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Should I be able to Pyro hover inverted before attempting full Pyro flip? I can pull off the half flip, but full is just to much. Any tips?
definitely. learn to do half piro flips and stabilize in one spot while continuing the pirouette then do next half flip. upright, inverted, repeat.

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Old 04-03-2017, 09:18 AM   #88
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Video demonstration. Fernando was nice enough to capture this on video. This is me flying my Logo 600 3D explaining piro flips.

I used your first video a few months ago to get half prio flips going, didnt realise there was a real life video further down.

I agree with others alot easier to see whats going on in real life, and it seems like its much easier to do in real life aswell!!!! I still havnt tried it yet IRL not confident enough with my 250 yet. though maybe with the 450 as its easier to fly.

I can do them OK now, so been trying to get full piroflips going when i get bored of practicing half piros and basic etc Just for the life of me cant get it yet. I have issues getting 1 full piro in a half flips.

Seems like i end up doing a full half piro flip, ie i end up back upright and the move looks really ugly
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Old 04-04-2017, 05:52 AM   #89
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I figured it out. Pretty much was 2 problems, timing and the size of the stir. i was going to big on the stir which would bring the heli back upright instead of ending inverted.

I tried again today and the first attempt landing me perfectly inverted and for kicks i thought well might as well try and piroflip out. it wasnt pretty but i made it out alive.

obviuolsy next attempts didnt go so well, but now its not so difficult as i thought. This will be one of my playtime things inbetween slow piro hovers.
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:55 AM   #90
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oh yeah im making quick progress!!!!!

[ame="https://youtu.be/kDZ4WV_gzsQ"]Piroflip practice - YouTube[/ame]

need to get on those inverted piro hovers though (still to do them)
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:54 AM   #91
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I figured it out. Pretty much was 2 problems, timing and the size of the stir. i was going to big on the stir which would bring the heli back upright instead of ending inverted.

I tried again today and the first attempt landing me perfectly inverted and for kicks i thought well might as well try and piroflip out. it wasnt pretty but i made it out alive.

obviuolsy next attempts didnt go so well, but now its not so difficult as i thought. This will be one of my playtime things inbetween slow piro hovers.
Good job. Over time as your 3D skills develop you will be able to vary the rate and size of the cyclic stir with respect to the rudder rate allowing you to do all kinds of interesting variations. A piro wobble is nothing more than fixing the collective, no up down flipping sweeps, and stirring the cyclic so fast that the model never inverts. It's coming back to level before it goes over.
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Old 04-05-2017, 03:06 AM   #92
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Good job. Over time as your 3D skills develop you will be able to vary the rate and size of the cyclic stir with respect to the rudder rate allowing you to do all kinds of interesting variations. A piro wobble is nothing more than fixing the collective, no up down flipping sweeps, and stirring the cyclic so fast that the model never inverts. It's coming back to level before it goes over.

Im still a long way from trying this IRL. half piro flips are close to being moved to the 450 and possibly 250. Just need to work a bit more through the tail in to 8s and funnels a little more.

ive learned things in a bit of a back to front way jumping straight to piro flips with hardly any inverted experienced and no piroetting hovers. alhtough its not really the best way it quickly tought me inverted orientations. Id give a wrong correctoin crash, ok dont go that way next time.
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Old 04-08-2017, 05:13 AM   #93
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Well i finally managed it!

An actial piro flip. ive been working on inverted hovers before moving onto inverted pirohovers. But i was able to succcessfull piroflip to inverted probably 50% of the time. I even managed to piroflip back out by just doing a blind stir ugly but progress.

I think this makes it alot easier to sit in the rigig boring practice sessions of spending 15 minutes slow piroette hover or 10 mintues in 1 orientation. with some really fun but still hard things to do in playtime

so i can already begin to do piroflips so now ill be doing the refining with the precurser esxersises


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oh yeah really starting to get it and even done some piro to ivnerted tail ins (half the full piro flip) the oposite direction.

these are fun to play around with in the sim, there not actually that difficult once you get your head round what is going on, it does really show up how your orientations are. if you mess up and end up in a funny position.... eeeeek

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Old 05-10-2017, 09:58 AM   #94
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well ive finaly did half piro flips IRL on both a 250 and 450.

In the sim i can now do full piroflips although no where near ready for real life
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