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11-14-2009, 07:28 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Progressing from MSR to CP heli
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I'm a beginner and got the MSR as my first heli. Have had it four about 5 weeks now and get to fly about 1-2 packs every second day with occasional sessions of 10 packs worth of flying on weekends. I'm quite confident of tail-in hovering (and flying) outside in moderate, slightly gusty winds. Have been working on hovering in the side-on orientations and am getting better and better at that too. While still practicing my orientations (and things like flying circles, etc.) on the MSR, I'm thinking of also getting a collective pitch heli (almost certainly a 400/450 size electric). I realize that a CP heli will be a bit more difficult than the MSR, but I don't have a good feeling for how hard it is going to be. Is there anyone out there that has had the MSR as their first heli and stepped up to a CP ? If so, what are your experiences with going bigger & CP? |
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11-14-2009, 10:52 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Some good discussion on transitioning from an mSR to a CP.
https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=166630
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11-14-2009, 11:40 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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Technical recommendations aside, the one piece of advice I would offer is that you should take your time. Crashing may be inevitable, but if you have patience, you shouldn't be replacing parts after every "flight".
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11-14-2009, 04:33 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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The biggest issue throttling down with the mSR. It's great for beginnings but will get you into trouble with a CP heli.
I learned quite a bit going from the mSR to the Walkera 4G3 (which I'd never recommend, the little sucker has been nothing but a pain the arse!). |
11-14-2009, 09:58 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Thanks to all of you. Yes, I'm aware of the throttling down issue. Currently looking for a DX6i so I can use throttle hold instead (and as a TX for whatever CP machine I'll end up getting).
However, I plan to set up my CP heli with just positive pitch for the beginning (or is that not a good idea). This is not to say that I will not work on getting rid of the dropping the throttle habit but if I do the consequences won't be as bad. What I can't get a good idea of is how different the stability will feel and how much that is affected by the choice and setup of helicopter (within the 400/450 class). I was also contemplating getting something like the helicommand to ease the learning curve but I'm not sure whether I can afford it (although some people say that it will pay for itself very quickly in terms of a lower repair bill). |
11-14-2009, 10:03 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
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I was contemplating the Blade 400 as well, given that it is such good value (I've seen it for AU$450 RTF at LHS). Here in Australia you pay AU$280 for the DX6i alone. My preference would be to get something with slightly better servos/gyro second hand for around the same price point, but I may end up just buying the RTF Blade 400. |
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11-15-2009, 01:30 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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I hot rod my msr all over the place cause damage is easy to fix and is cheap. Take it slow and easy with the 400 and gradually increase difficulty of movements until you are well acquainted with its ability to respond in wind and no wind. Larger helis are much less forgiving in mishaps and a mind bender if you're new to repairs. The msr is great for learning orientation and handling wind, updrafts and downdrafts.
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11-15-2009, 01:36 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Msr is a great learning tool, but a sim is a necessary tool for CP if only to figure out what happens to your TX when you’re upside down. It may seem expensive but you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone to say it wasn’t cheap in the end.
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11-15-2009, 02:33 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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I would suggest you skip a 400/450 and go for a 500. Most who have a 400/450 and move to a 500 feel their skills increase four fold within a week of getting their 500. You can see the list of helis I own and I promise you will be much happier with a 500. If you do stick with a 400/450 please be warned that the Blade400 3D electronics are crap and you will need to upgrade them. I have heard so many times "I am a newbie and I don't need top of the line electronics" I agree you don't need top of the line electronics I you aren't a "3D Master" but when you are first learning; having servos that center / don't strip easy in a crash and a gyro that keeps the tail locked are very important.
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11-15-2009, 02:54 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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If you can afford to I agree with the 500 like Rodney suggested.Im a begginer and Im only flying a MSR(pretty good I might add).I was at my LHS the other day killing some time and stepped up to the sim they have set up,Phoenix I believe.Anyway,I set it up with a Trex 500,and no kidding after less than 5 minutes I was able to do a decent hover.Not perfect but the bird had a very steady feel to it.I was surprised.
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11-16-2009, 11:57 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Thanks for the additional info.
I thought about getting a bigger heli but assuming that there will be a few crashes at the start the parts for the 400 sized helis are just a lot cheaper. I am meanwhile steering away from the Blade 400 and leaning more towards a Trex450 clone that I'll build up with better servos/gyro (possibly second hand). I've already got a second hand DX6i on the way. Regarding a SIM. I have borrowed Realflight G4 from a friend for a while but have given it back meanwhile. I had to run it in a virtual machine under Mac OS (on a 1st generation Macbook) and the virtual machine made everything react sluggish (even with graphical detail turned down) so I didn't enjoy it very much. Might have to try again, maybe using boot camp or tuning the virtual machine settings to get some more performance. |
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