Stagility, it's a new flight mode - For dx6i radios and up!

[JonJet]

Alrighty then....THANK YOU

[Quadflyer]

Originally Posted by HFMan

Yep, this worked on the DX8:

Mix 1- ALE-Gear
Rate: -125%
+125%
Offset: 0
Sw: Mix1 (Throttle Hold switch)

Mix 2- ELE-Gear
Rate: -125%
+125%
Offset: 0
Sw: Mix 1

Gear SubTrim: -112 (You may need to adjust this a little. Adjust this so that when in stability mode, you are just a couple points away from switching into Agility mode)

Gear Travel: (This evens out the sub-trim introduced above as close as is feasible)
65%, 150%

Trying o set up the 6 and I have a few questions. On mix 1 & 2 there is not offset.

On the gear sub trim it stops at 100.

Last the gear travel stops at 125.

[VFRLuke]

Originally Posted by VFRLuke

I have a DX7s, and I'm don't understand what we're doing here with the mix as well as I would like.

Will someone post up that they have this working with a DX7s once they get it. I'm concerned that we already have to use a mix with the 7s to activate agility mode because it doesn't have the 3 position flight mode switch that the DX8 has.

Well I have a broken landing gear on my 350qx right now, but I did start playing with my DX7s while looking at the monitor. It looks like if you just plug the above values into mix 2 and 3 it will work. I set the switch on gear 1 (acro setup) to activate Stagility.

Kind of complex operation but it should go:
F mode 0 - smart mode
F mode 1 - stability
f1 + mix - agility
f1 + gear - stagility

It also looks like the the gear switch being left on accidentally would cause smart mode to switch into others. will take some experimenting.

[FoosYou]

Quickest "sticky" ever!! Now if I could just get some warmer weather and less wind to go test this awesomeness...

[beanian]

From bench testing it with the dx6i it looks like these settings work:
Travel Adj
Gear (up) 100%
Gear (down) 83%

Sub Trim
Gear -98

Mix 1
Aile -> Gear
Rate D -125% U + 125%
SW MIX Trim Inh

Mix 2
ELEV -> Gear
Rate D -125% U + 125%
SW MIX Trim Inh

After a fair bit if testing these settings seem to emulate the behaviour in indoorhelis video pretty closely.
As I said I have only bench tested these settings as I'm waiting for a break in the weather
I would be interested in feedback from other dx6i owners!

[cliff600]

I have a dx 18 and now after doing this mix it will automatically go into the mix setting...The switch can be on or off, it doesnt matter. Also in safe mode if the stick is moved too far it will go into stability mode....did I do something wrong or does it do it to you guys too? It seems like the H switch does not matter which position it is in

[indoorheli]

Do you have a single point for switch H selected?

Check out the video around 6:50. In it you will see that only a single point on switch H (2 position switch) is selected for each mix (point 1 highlighted, point 0 not )

Stagility is made for stability to agility transition while in FM1 for stability. Since smart modes stock setting is at +100 it will change the effect if you are not the correct FM.

I am working on a smart to stability for altitude lock. Though it might just be better to bind with gps off for that

I am almost done with a spm file for easy dx9/18 programming

[ronj]

Hooray, it's a sticky.

Got to try on my Nano QX this weekend.

[NT7R]

Originally Posted by cliff600

I have a dx 18 and now after doing this mix it will automatically go into the mix setting...The switch can be on or off, it doesnt matter. Also in safe mode if the stick is moved too far it will go into stability mode....did I do something wrong or does it do it to you guys too? It seems like the H switch does not matter which position it is in

When you're setting up your switch make sure only one of the two boxes is active. Those boxes represent the switch positions. If both boxes are selected then both positions will be the same.

[Quadflyer]

Just set it up on the 6i, what use to be blue mode is now red mode on the bench. From the video it should be in blue until you have right stick movement. Is this true for the 6i?

[indoorheli]

I have just come up with a new mix for the dx7s and 8 that will make the center point adjustable like the dx9. Might work with the dx6i too if Flaps mix is adjustable.

It will not need any trim or travel adjust as it is a 3 mix combo.

Please check first post for updates.

[JonJet]

I see a couple posts that say it works on the Nano QX...but I cannot get it to work...

Finally figured out My problem with the 180QX, thanks to NT7R...

Anyone seen specific settings for the Nano?

[HIGHOCTANE22]

Originally Posted by beanian

From bench testing it with the dx6i it looks like these settings work:
Travel Adj
Gear (up) 100%
Gear (down) 83%

Sub Trim
Gear -98

Mix 1
Aile -> Gear
Rate D -125% U + 125%
SW MIX Trim Inh

Mix 2
ELEV -> Gear
Rate D -125% U + 125%
SW MIX Trim Inh

After a fair bit if testing these settings seem to emulate the behaviour in indoorhelis video pretty closely.
As I said I have only bench tested these settings as I'm waiting for a break in the weather
I would be interested in feedback from other dx6i owners!

Are all other settings the stock DX6i 350 settings? I just tried the above settings on the bench and it didn't work for me. Granted I'm a new and I could be overlooking something simple.

[indoorheli]

Nano uses a "double tap" it will require a special mix if possible.
I havent had a chance to finish it yet


Right now for the nano, I have the mode switch on a flight mode toggle, with a single toggle activation via the sequencer.

I have been playing with other stagility setups for other radios so more can access the stagility mix easier with more adjustability.

[JonJet]

Originally Posted by indoorheli

Nano uses a "double tap" it will require a special mix if possible.
I havent had a chance to finish it yet


Right now for the nano, I have the mode switch on a flight mode toggle, with a single toggle activation via the sequencer.

I have been playing with other stagility setups for other radios so more can access the stagility mix easier with more adjustability.

Alright...I have more patience than money, so I'll wait for it

For all Your Efforts !

[RedOctobyr]

indoorheli, this is very cool, and very clever, thanks for sharing!

Originally Posted by indoorheli

Nano uses a "double tap" it will require a special mix if possible.
I havent had a chance to finish it yet


Right now for the nano, I have the mode switch on a flight mode toggle, with a single toggle activation via the sequencer.

I have been playing with other stagility setups for other radios so more can access the stagility mix easier with more adjustability.

I expect this will not work on the Nano QX. I'm using mine in Heli mode on my DX6i, but I doubt Acro/Heli mode will change anything (the nQX doesn't know the difference, it's just getting signals).

If you are giving any non-centered-stick inputs on at least cyclic (haven't checked Rudder) when you toggle your nQX from Stability back to Agility, it will assume those inputs are neutral. On the ground, hold some forward-elevator in Stability, then toggle to Agility, center the elevator, add some throttle, and watch it likely try to tip over.

So the mixes are likely possible. Like you said, you need a full toggle Low/High/Low on the Pitch channel (in my case; or Flaps for Acro), to change the mode.

The trouble is that as you toggle into Agility, the stick has to be off-center, which means that amount of forward-elevator (or whatever) will suddenly be considered neutral, in Agility. So you'd start a flip, change into Agility, then kinda go dead in the air, no longer flipping, until you move the stick *further* (but, as partial-stick is now considered "center", you'll have reduced the remaining travel you have available). It would likely fly strangely.

You also give up cyclic control during the High-signal portion of the Low/High/Low toggle, so that had better be a very quick blip of the signal going High before back to Low.

Too bad they designed the nQX this way. I assume it's so they could use a really-cheap RTF TX that doesn't have a switch for Stability on/off, merely a momentary toggle that's used to make it change modes every time. But it also means the TX can't even be certain of which mode the nQX is in, as it's merely a "blind" toggle. If it used the channel being High to dictate going into Agility, we could probably use your (very clever!!) method with the Nano QX.

This being said, I'm happy to be proven wrong!

[indoorheli]

Can anyone confirm how much gear trim the dx6i has?

If it has -125 trim, dial it in and set EPA for gear at 100% up and down.

If it has more sub trim dial up to -150% for around -45% gear programmed in.

Use this in combo with the dx7/8 mixes. The subtrim will give you the adjustability of center, but should give all normal mode function with stagility mode off.

[JonJet]

Originally Posted by ecard

All nice features I was also able to implement into my nano QX and 180 QX settings

We need to see how this guy did it to his Nano !!

[HIGHOCTANE22]

Originally Posted by indoorheli

Can anyone confirm how much gear trim the dx6i has?

If it has -125 trim, dial it in and set EPA for gear at 100% up and down.

If it has more sub trim dial up to -150% for around -45% gear programmed in.

Use this in combo with the dx7/8 mixes. The subtrim will give you the adjustability of center, but should give all normal mode function with stagility mode off.

Gear subtrim max is 100%/ -100

I don't know if it helps(you may know this) but the "stock" dx6i set up is

Stock DX6i set up
Gear-R, all others normal.

Travel Adj: GEAR POS (0) GEAR: ↑100%;
GEAR/F MODE POS (1) GEAR: ↓40%
FLAPS: Norm ←↑100; LAND ↓100
MIX 1: ACT; GEAR → GEAR ACT
RATE D 0%; U + 100%
SW MIX TRIM INH

[JonJet]

Now that the 180QX model works magnificently, I made it's model name brag about it !