Fun, Learning, Friendship and Mutual Respect START  HERE


Unregistered
Go Back   HeliFreak > R/C Helicopter Support > 600 Class Nitro Helicopters


600 Class Nitro Helicopters 600 Class Nitro Helicopters manufactured by Align, Tarot, SYMA, Airhog, Chaos, HK and similar.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-27-2016, 05:28 PM   #41
mr_squiggle
Registered Users
 
Posts: 145
 

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignatjev View Post
I want to change standard clunk to MOAS, how to remove old one without damaging the tank nipple..?


Assuming the rubber is in good condition just remove it carefully & reasonably slowly. It's easier if everything is warm as well so the rubber isn't too stiff. I "wiggled" mine by working the old nipple in a slightly circular motion whilst pulling on it.


Citizen #186
mr_squiggle is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2016, 07:21 AM   #42
Ignatjev
Registered Users
 
Posts: 394
Thread Starter Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Latvia, EU
Default

Thanks!
Decided to do flybarless conversion after some time, got VCTRC FBL head and Brain (first version). What else do I need, wire for Brain governor?
Ditch Align governor, 2 in 1 regulator..? What would be the best affordable setup and most reliable? Running LiFe pack directly?
__________________
Trex600N Pro Trex 500 Tarot 450 HCP100S Heli-X DX8 iCharger206B Spirit
Ignatjev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2016, 07:31 AM   #43
Number
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Missouri
Default

LiFe direct or in my case a LiPo and BEC.
Number is online now        Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2016, 07:39 AM   #44
Ignatjev
Registered Users
 
Posts: 394
Thread Starter Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Latvia, EU
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Number View Post
LiFe direct or in my case a LiPo and BEC.
Life direct into Brain unit..? What connectors to use. And how to connect Align RPM sensor to Brain, I have first gen unit.
So, in my case I take out - standard RX, gyro, Align governor and then mount Brain unit with 2 Lemon DSMX sats, then attach Align RPM sensor. And what tape better for nitro, will 3M be ok?
__________________
Trex600N Pro Trex 500 Tarot 450 HCP100S Heli-X DX8 iCharger206B Spirit
Ignatjev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2016, 08:30 AM   #45
Number
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Missouri
Default

Servo connectors with wires connecting them to the connector on the LiFe
and this
https://www.amainhobbies.com/futaba-...utq1000/p11561
Number is online now        Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2016, 07:06 PM   #46
907Heli
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,378
 

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Valdez, Alaska
Default

3M gray tape works fine on nitros. I tried other tape and it led to odd things happening because it allowed the flybarless unit to move. I switched it out with 3M gray tape and all my problems went away. All the fbl units on all my helis, and all my friends helis are mounted with 3M gray on all electrics and nitros.
__________________
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you."
GAUI NX7, TREX 600N, Goblin 570, Gaui X3L, DX7G2, AMA#970963 Citizen 420
907Heli is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 10:20 AM   #47
ticedoff8
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,112
 

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NorCali (San Jose)
Default

To hook the Align magnetic sensor to the Brain 1, plug it directly into the Brain's gov port on the side.
The Brain uses the same micro-JST plug as the Align sensor
You may have to swap the red / black wires

If you have a different RPM sensor, then you need the adapter:
https://www.mshusa.com/collections/b...nor-cable-90mm

I use the Futaba gyro pad on my Trex 600N and 700N.

On my two nitro helis, the Futaba gyro pads were the difference between Rescue working predictably and "crashing".
If Rescue is not important, then use any good quality gyro mounting tape.

For all your Brain questions, look at the MSH Brain forum on HF.
https://www.helifreak.com/forumdisplay.php?f=308
ticedoff8 is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2016, 10:43 AM   #48
907Heli
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,378
 

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Valdez, Alaska
Default

There are two align rpm sensors with different connectors. I'm having trouble finding the older one but this one has the end you're talking'll about.

https://www.amainhobbies.com/align-b...gbp001/p505962

The older ones had a standard servo lead like this

https://www.amainhobbies.com/aerospi...aor110/p168164

This is the adapter cable

https://www.amainhobbies.com/msheli-...h51605/p511321
__________________
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you."
GAUI NX7, TREX 600N, Goblin 570, Gaui X3L, DX7G2, AMA#970963 Citizen 420
907Heli is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2016, 11:39 AM   #49
Ignatjev
Registered Users
 
Posts: 394
Thread Starter Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Latvia, EU
Default

Thanks! Now I'm converting to FBL shall mixing arms be parallel swashplate when at zero with Brain setup? At least it seems logical to me shall I change main shaft to shorter one?

Sent from my FRD-L09 using Tapatalk
__________________
Trex600N Pro Trex 500 Tarot 450 HCP100S Heli-X DX8 iCharger206B Spirit
Ignatjev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2016, 11:48 AM   #50
Number
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Missouri
Default

Doesn't really matter. They do not affect the pitch, all they do is drive the swash. As long as you have 0 pitch at mid stick it's all good.
Number is online now        Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2016, 02:47 PM   #51
907Heli
Registered Users
 
Posts: 2,378
 

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Valdez, Alaska
Default

Yep, just move the swash to the limits and check for binding or the possibility of an arm camming over, and if not, you're good to go.
__________________
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you."
GAUI NX7, TREX 600N, Goblin 570, Gaui X3L, DX7G2, AMA#970963 Citizen 420
907Heli is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2016, 08:16 PM   #52
Dawiev
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Middle East
Default

Be sure to choose the right orientation in menu 9 of the setup.
Dawiev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2016, 09:40 AM   #53
meowguy
Registered Users
 
Posts: 330
 

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Saco, ME
Default

Yes, use the short shaft. Also use the 2.5mm linkage rod set with the heavy duty ball links.

meowguy is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2016, 06:40 AM   #54
Ignatjev
Registered Users
 
Posts: 394
Thread Starter Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Latvia, EU
Default

How to put back fuel tank into the frame?
ps. simply removed the upper part of rubber inserted tank and placed rubber back again.
__________________
Trex600N Pro Trex 500 Tarot 450 HCP100S Heli-X DX8 iCharger206B Spirit

Last edited by Ignatjev; 11-19-2016 at 09:43 AM..
Ignatjev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 02:44 PM   #55
Ignatjev
Registered Users
 
Posts: 394
Thread Starter Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Latvia, EU
Default

Quick question... now adjusting Brain governor. What is the ratio, is it 8,5?

Sent from my FRD-L09 using Tapatalk
Ignatjev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 08:24 PM   #56
Dawiev
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Middle East
Default

Yes.
Dawiev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 07:10 AM   #57
Ignatjev
Registered Users
 
Posts: 394
Thread Starter Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Latvia, EU
Default

Thanks.
Could someone point me to the short main shaft and 2.5mm linkage rod set with the heavy duty ball links?
And what throttle curve should I use in normal mode to set up the carburetor?
__________________
Trex600N Pro Trex 500 Tarot 450 HCP100S Heli-X DX8 iCharger206B Spirit
Ignatjev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 08:21 AM   #58
Dawiev
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Middle East
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignatjev View Post
And what throttle curve should I use in normal mode to set up the carburetor?
Linear 0 ..... 100.

Set throttle in Tx to show 0 to 100 in panel 5. Then use Min and Max in the Gov panel to get the correct travel.
Dawiev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 08:39 AM   #59
Ignatjev
Registered Users
 
Posts: 394
Thread Starter Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Latvia, EU
Default

Thank you!
Now I need only heavy duty ball links and shorter main shaft for my 600N FBL conversion
__________________
Trex600N Pro Trex 500 Tarot 450 HCP100S Heli-X DX8 iCharger206B Spirit
Ignatjev is offline        Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2017, 09:03 AM   #60
ktmdiesel
Registered Users
 

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignatjev View Post
Thank you!
Now I need only heavy duty ball links and shorter main shaft for my 600N FBL conversion
I am wondering about the ball links, can you use 700 balls or is there special 5mm balls you need to order for fbl??
ktmdiesel is offline        Reply With Quote
Reply




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Copyright © 2004-2016 by RCGroups.com, LLC except where otherwise indicated. The HeliFreak.com logo is a trademark of RCGroups.com, LLC.