Xxtreme 700 side frames

[jefinately]

Hi does any one know why there is only 1 side frame that's 1.5 mm thick on the mikado USA websites (left side) but they have both right and left side of the 1mm thick side frames for the xxtreme 700. Does the left side frame work for both sides and if not does the 1.5mm thick chassis parts fit the holes in the 1mm thick side frames ?

[benben]

The 1.5mm chassis part will not fit the 1mm side frames. I suppose you can open up the battery mounting area on the left side frame to use it as right side frame.

[marke]

I just contacted Mikado- I guess the 1.5 thick frames stopped production in 2015...I checked the 2 sides and yes you can open the left side up for the battery but the servo slots are different -so it would take some clever Carbon Fiber work to get 2 left sides to work--I have to say it sucks that Mikado has stop making the frames-I just started building my New/Old 700 xxtreme and now ill be afraid to fly it because of the lack of parts-it came out in 2012 and 2015 is now obsolete -unless you want to spend $350.00 to convert to the 1mm frame set-its not just the side that need replacing..the only other option is the frame from RC -hawk in HK..so of course I am questioning if I should have purchased this kit--I usually pick the wrong thing..should have picked the Goblin--LOL..I'm sure there stuff goes out of production just as quick--boy this is a disposable hobby..

[deepak]

Id like a couple pairs of 1.5 mm frames myself.
Spares. Love the machine would not want to damage it.
Mikado! kindly supply us with 1.5 mm frames please.
thanks
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[marke]

yea the more I look into this the more I am finding out if we damage a frame the options are really limited and defiantly not cost friendly --maybe this is the plan--crash the xxtreme and buy the new 700 helicopter and throw out the xxtreme...NOT!!! this heli is way to nice to give up on it so soon-Mikado really has to rethink about making and supporting this machine..I don't feel replacing the entire frame with the 1mm carbon is a reasonable option--I really wish I knew about this before buying this kit 1 month ago NIB...maybe the 2 mm inner pcs can be used by increasing the slot widths -this way all we would need to do is buy the sides and side supports and use the thicker inner frame pcs that will save $200 bucks--also still considering buying two 1.5 mm left frames and create a right frame from the left--it will need to be enlarged for the main pack and clever CF work for the elevator servo mount. a lot of work with a cut of saw in the dermal ..

[mahbouni]

Wishful thinking but maybe the 700xx can use the new plastic frames. We know the drive train is compatible. Not sure about the main shaft and bearings.

[marke]

yes maybe-I just love the look of the carbon-it just make the heli look like a pc of art--I know that's not for every one--but come on if your going to spend thousands of dollars on something like this don't you want it to look the part..i also got information back from RC-Hawk-they will be supplying as spares there side frames for there frame-which seems to have a better solution for the ESC mounting--the frames sides are 60 each-the same price as Mikado--they will be adding it to the site soon..well at this point I have zero interest in driving this thing into the ground-and I fly very conservative to say the least--when I fly people fall a sleep--

[deepak]

If we get enough people wanting them Im sure they'll get the message and perhaps order a batch! I for one would like some spare sock of those frames.
d

[marke]

Originally Posted by deepak

If we get enough people wanting them Im sure they'll get the message and perhaps order a batch! I for one would like some spare sock of those frames.
d

Agreed -I would defiantly order a set for back up--I like the idea of the single side frames instead of the multi piece doublers --also gear sets-which I know they have

[Tomas_simatovic]

Are the new plastic frames compatible? I'd love to just go that route and keep the original canopy!

[rcmarty]

I have both versions of the 700xx

First one was from the first batch with the 2mm frame sides

Then I bought another later kit to build a 770 that had the stacked 1mm frames.

IMO I like the 2mm frames. There the full thickness throughout where the stacked ones are 2 layers thick in certain areas (of needed strength).

I'd venture to guess the non critical area would be the first to break and cause a frame fix/replacement.

Mikado has always built a well flying machine, not a flying tank. So all bets are off on the stacked frame crash. Still no promises with the 2mm but I think 2mm frame is a 'low stress' area will have more of a chance.

I'd read that the XX series was going to continue to be supported. Heck , you can still get logo 10 parts.

I know the designer XX has moved along and XX series has been dropped from production , but that's no reason to break tradition and cease the parts on this model.

After the feeding frenzy is over i'll sell a few things and get a new 700 but not going to abandon the XX. It's a nice machine , will can track and smack no problem.

Yes it's a bit heavier (stacked frames are saving how much overall ??) but it's not crazy as many make it out to be. I've got collective set to 14 degrees , so at the end of an auto I can give it a good poke for a nice set down.

I guess if Mikado drops the ball here , we'll have to goto the RC-hawk route.
I'm not a big supporter of knock offs, but what do we do ?

Hope Mikado reconsiders support.

I wonder if everyone with a XX series sends Mikado an email requesting that the parts support continues, would that help to see there's a market ?

Martin

[marke]

Originally Posted by rcmarty

I have both versions of the 700xx

First one was from the first batch with the 2mm frame sides

Then I bought another later kit to build a 770 that had the stacked 1mm frames.

IMO I like the 2mm frames. There the full thickness throughout where the stacked ones are 2 layers thick in certain areas (of needed strength).

I'd venture to guess the non critical area would be the first to break and cause a frame fix/replacement.

Mikado has always built a well flying machine, not a flying tank. So all bets are off on the stacked frame crash. Still no promises with the 2mm but I think 2mm frame is a 'low stress' area will have more of a chance.

I'd read that the XX series was going to continue to be supported. Heck , you can still get logo 10 parts.

I know the designer XX has moved along and XX series has been dropped from production , but that's no reason to break tradition and cease the parts on this model.

After the feeding frenzy is over i'll sell a few things and get a new 700 but not going to abandon the XX. It's a nice machine , will can track and smack no problem.

Yes it's a bit heavier (stacked frames are saving how much overall ??) but it's not crazy as many make it out to be. I've got collective set to 14 degrees , so at the end of an auto I can give it a good poke for a nice set down.

I guess if Mikado drops the ball here , we'll have to goto the RC-hawk route.
I'm not a big supporter of knock offs, but what do we do ?

Hope Mikado reconsiders support.

I wonder if everyone with a XX series sends Mikado an email requesting that the parts support continues, would that help to see there's a market ?

Martin

I have been writing about this on the other post and I called Mikado about this and basically we have 3 choices go with Hawk Rc side frames matt finish, go with Hawk RC complete frame or convert to Mikado 1.0 mm frame-from the conversation I had with Mikado they have plan on making anymore 1.5 mm frame parts--so my plan is not to crash--LOL...the cheapest at this point is the side frames made by Hawk Rc-just wish they where gloss-also I don't know if there going to make the rest of the supporting pcs like the lower frame part-

[mahbouni]

If I needed to replace my 1.5mm frames with 1.0mm frames, what other parts would I need to replace too?

[marke]

Originally Posted by mahbouni

If I needed to replace my 1.5mm frames with 1.0mm frames, what other parts would I need to replace too?

from what Mikado says-All of them $375.00 worth-none of the 1.5 mm pcs will work..so if you crack 1 frame you are stuck with replacing all the Carbon pcs which is not cheep

[rcmarty]

Originally Posted by marke

I have been writing about this on the other post and I called Mikado about this and basically we have 3 choices go with Hawk Rc side frames matt finish, go with Hawk RC complete frame or convert to Mikado 1.0 mm frame-from the conversation I had with Mikado they have plan on making anymore 1.5 mm frame parts--so my plan is not to crash--LOL...the cheapest at this point is the side frames made by Hawk Rc-just wish they where gloss-also I don't know if there going to make the rest of the supporting pcs like the lower frame part-

Are they planning to continue to make the 1 mm stack as a replacement parts avenue ? ( good for the 1mm folks , not so much for the 1.5 folks as a full conversion is needed )

Does rchawk make a direct fit frame side for the 1.5 mm guys ?
Or is it the replacement for the rchawk frame kit ?

If rchawk will make a direct fit 1.5 then that is the way to go. As much as I don't like to support a clone company , mikado isn't offering a viable option.
( talking a direct knockoff of the frame side )

If rchawk is making there version ( slight change to avoid the ip ripoff scenario ) side frame then it becomes a little of a moral delemma.
In order to keep a repair avenue open you would need to buy there frame set and then there replacement parts to fit it. A full supporting scnairio of there business model.

I know of a few frame sides so I guess I'll need to buy them as spares. Wasn't planning on it but it seems like this is where the XX is heading.

Disappointing to say the least.

Martin

[marke]

Originally Posted by rcmarty

Are they planning to continue to make the 1 mm stack as a replacement parts avenue ? ( good for the 1mm folks , not so much for the 1.5 folks as a full conversion is needed )

Does rchawk make a direct fit frame side for the 1.5 mm guys ?
Or is it the replacement for the rchawk frame kit ?

If rchawk will make a direct fit 1.5 then that is the way to go. As much as I don't like to support a clone company , mikado isn't offering a viable option.
( talking a direct knockoff of the frame side )

If rchawk is making there version ( slight change to avoid the ip ripoff scenario ) side frame then it becomes a little of a moral delemma.
In order to keep a repair avenue open you would need to buy there frame set and then there replacement parts to fit it. A full supporting scnairio of there business model.

I know of a few frame sides so I guess I'll need to buy them as spares. Wasn't planning on it but it seems like this is where the XX is heading.

Disappointing to say the least.

Martin

Ok this is how I see it-3 options:

1. Mikado is only supporting the 1.0 mm frames..this is bad-you must replace all Carbon parts for $375.00 and go with 1.0 mm conversion

2. Hawk Rc is supporting the original 1.5 MM frame -But in matt finish 60.00 per side

3. Hawk Rc has its own complete designed frame for 1.0 mm thickness for 209.00

if any one has any other info please pass this on.

thank you

[rcmarty]

Sounds good, matt finish doesn't bother me.

Martin

[mahbouni]

Originally Posted by marke

from what Mikado says-All of them $375.00 worth-none of the 1.5 mm pcs will work..so if you crack 1 frame you are stuck with replacing all the Carbon pcs which is not cheep

I just did a cost up from Mikado USA's website of the chassis parts for the new Logo 700 including the plastic frames, hardware, canopy and battery tray. I may have missed a few sundry items but it comes under $400. Your old main gear, main shaft, rotor head and tail section should be plug and play. Would be nice if Mikado release upgrade combos for the chassis, head and tail sections. You could upgrade as you crash and repair.

[mahbouni]

Some good news for you guys

http://www.vstabi.info/forum/read.php?39,152444

[tjarde]

Made my own frame sides for the Logo 700 XXTreme (CNC Carbon). The 1.5 mm version made with 2 mm carbon. Perfect fit.