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04-14-2017, 06:09 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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vbc and jive 120 hv
Guys I am helping someone setup a vbc and helijive 120 hv (not pro) and I cannot get the bailout working with vbc any tips?
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04-14-2017, 09:32 PM | #2 (permalink) | |
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Did you do that procedure? 7.11 Autorotation (Bail-out) The autorotation allows the motor to spool up in a shorter time to higher RPM. This allows for abrupt interception maneuvers. The spool up time in autorotation mode is depended on the set RPM spool up time and is 1/6 of this value. If a general spool up time of 12 seconds is set, in autorotation mode the spool up time is now 3 seconds. Autorotation has to be activated via PROGDISC – HELI JIVE Card and “Full throttle”, “Motor-Off” and “Brake” positions have to be set. The percentage throttle value can be set via throttle. For programming autorotation please follow the procedure as described: Program 3 switch positions to your TX (1: 0%= “motor off”, 2: 100%= “full throttle”, 3: 15-20%= Autorotation position). Check on your TX monitor whether the respective percentages are valid. Connect battery to HELI JIVE and wait for acoustic signals (2 seconds). Unplug Jumper from ESC and wait for mode tones (mode 1: one tone, mode 2: two tones…mode 8: eight tones). Wait for desired mode and move throttle to full throttle position. After confirmation signal (3 tones) move throttle to AR position. The HELI JIVE confirms AR position (3 tones). Finally, disconnect battery. Should the bail-out maneuver be stopped and the motor is switched on again, the HELI JIE returns to the preset RPM in quick spool up. If the switch remains in autorotation position for more than 12 seconds soft start of the motor is reactivated. Due to security considerations the quick spool up will also be deactivated for the next one spool up, if the throttle is in Motor-Off position for more than 15 seconds. The autorotation bail-out is no individual mode and can be activated in modes 2, 3, 4, 5,6.
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04-17-2017, 11:40 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Heli jive
Hi yes, I tried that as per manual. In vbc in esc wizard I choose the jive and not jive pro, In this mode the vbc automatically sets the esc % for banks 1,2,3 and for AR esc to 0% and does not allow AR esc TO ANTHING BUT 0%
Going into throttle endpoint settings does not allow me to switch to AR mode as it is a mode that outputs a linear throttle curve only. So so far no luck.
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04-18-2017, 12:05 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Pro Parameter App
http://vstabi.info/en/node/1679 http://www.vstabi.info/sites/default...verview_EN.png http://www.vstabi.info/sites/default...verview_EN.png
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04-18-2017, 01:00 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Nope
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04-18-2017, 10:01 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Well without more info cannot help you further.
"Nope" means no to what?
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04-18-2017, 10:12 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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Quick walk through on how I did mine.
Go to PRO PARAMETER APP, select 20% as auto rotation. Go to WIZARD select Jive, do mode programming making sure MOTOR switch is in RUN, do desired governor mode and wait for confirmation tone with collective stick at full throttle position, switch motor switch to IDLE and voila you will get the telephone ring tone.
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04-18-2017, 11:47 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Thank you for your help, nope not working, as soon as i go into esc setup wizzard for jive, it sets the autorotation to 0%
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04-19-2017, 03:20 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Strange, mine works and programs as advertised. What are the firmware version of your HJive?
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01-04-2019, 08:59 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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Same setup different issue.
So I have had this jive 120hv a year now on my 700 Heli . All was well, recently I upgraded the head and a few parts. In the same breath I redid the setup on vbar... Now tome to set up the esc all fails. I can get into program mode only with “motor on” but when I go full throttle for mode one, it’s so if I have been ignored.. the esc just keeps going.
I understand about the end points md have tried to set them however in the V control I get to a point where it says but throttle to lowest position and that’s it. What also confuses me is that I run an external Bec which is connected to one side of the Y connection for the 12s setup so when I try to go through the wizard and get to the point where it says to restart the vbar I start the trial and error and it has always been a successful error. I have even made a program wire where I just connect and disconnect just not to have to constantly be fighting to put it back in .. What is the way it should be done.....Aso is it that the esc is not seeing my full throttle....in the endpoint screen it’s 100/100 so I don’t get it. Another strange thing is that when my radio is in motor off mode the esc does not arm.... which is strange cause all my other Helicopters do..sometimes I even get that flashing light without sound. Does my setting in the collective part of the wizard have anything to do with this. |
01-04-2019, 09:26 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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Just tried again.
I did a new model but before adjusting anything I attempted to program the esc directly and nothing. Now response at high throttle. I did get a type of telephone ring for a few seconds. Never got that. Should my batteries be fully charged. This is a bummer. |
01-05-2019, 07:33 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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The wizard in the VBC will set direct stick control for throttle, you have to repower the Neo and on reconnect it will still be active until you press exit on the VBC. once in this mode you can pull the program plug from the HeliJive and it should enter program mode. Follow the Kontronik manual on programming mode 1 first, unplug power on again and program mode 4 for Kontronik governor.
https://www.vstabi.info/en/node/1831 https://www.kontronik.com/fileadmin/.../HELI-JIVE.pdf
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01-05-2019, 11:08 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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Yes I understand that. But as indicated the neo is on the bec so at what point should the jive be plugged in
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01-05-2019, 05:40 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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I did read somewhere that the esc should "set up" its own headspeeds or something like that by allowing the heli to spool up for a few seconds. Question: Is this correct and can the blades be off ? Is the any other mandatory setup in the Jive ? Is there anything i should double check before taking to the skys. Thanks buddy.. |
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01-05-2019, 08:54 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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From the manual, mode 4 is governor that sets rpm at each spoolup to the supplied voltage. Mode 5 is the one that you need to spoolup with load and your weakest pack after programming for it to learn the rpm/voltage and will keep the rpm irrespective of old or new pack.
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