Pitch Gauge

[T/CHunter2009]

Could someone Please give me the correct reading with a pitch gauge on what my readings should be in Mode {0} for regular and Mode {1} for stunt and idle up. I am learning and understanding that Idle up only works in Stunt mode, as I only use my throttle hold to kill the motor in Regular mode {0} to carry my heli to the Heli Pad out back. I think pitch setting is wrong , not sure . Please let me know if you could help. I thought from reading that In Idle up ,my pitch at mid stick should be 0 and I should have -10 to + 10 from to top to bottom. ??? I am using the New Updated settings from Horizon Hobby, and I had to change out my feather shaft and main shaft last week due to you Know. I need regular mode as well in all throttle positions

[whoanelly]

Thats correct at mid stick should be 0 and full throttle or cyclic should be at +10 and -10 at bottom.yur right. and that should be the same in either mode.

[whoanelly]

im mean collective...sorry

[1BADAIR]

the readings won't be correct in th-hold unless you change the throttle hold pitch curve to match the stunt pitch curve

[Wolfpackin]

40-45-50-75-100
Equals -2/0/+10 for Normal mode with original stock Swash Mix values.

The new Horizon video says to lower the Pitch value in Swash Mix so the pitch range is reduced.
Bad idea IMO.

[T/CHunter2009]

Ah thank you . I must have messed up something. I check it out tomorrow. Maybe it was when I changed the center shaft. I don't know. I also found the degree setting in the Bible to compare . there are a few to use .MMM What do you guys recommend for all of this? I would like to have it spot on now. Geeting much better and flying around almost time to invert. good thing I checked first I only had -2 degrees at lowest throttle posistion L and posistion H was + 12 Mode 0 was + 5 degrees at L and H was 12 degrees also. Glad I checked it out .

[Wolfpackin]

Just stick with standard settings:
Normal Pitch=40-45-75-100 (-2/0/+10)
Stunt Pitch=0-25-50-75-100 (-10/0/+10)

Keep both Throttle curves high, 80% or more at half stick.

[T/CHunter2009]

Originally Posted by Wolfpackin

40-45-50-75-100
Equals -2/0/+10 for Normal mode with original stock Swash Mix values.

The new Horizon video says to lower the Pitch value in Swash Mix so the pitch range is reduced.
Bad idea IMO.

So useing that what would my stunt mode read? So I can go invert.thats when you flip idle up on right?

[1BADAIR]

stunt should still be -10/+10

[Wolfpackin]

Just stick with standard settings:
Normal Pitch=40-45-75-100 (-2/0/+10)
Stunt Pitch=0-25-50-75-100 (-10/0/+10)

Keep both Throttle curves high, 80% or more at half stick.

Most people use Stunt/Idle-up to go inverted, but you can loop and roll in Normal mode.

[Larry227]

I would set the pitch in idle up (P curves = 00-25-50-75-100) to be -10/0/+10. Then if you want different pitch at low to mid stick in normal mode just change your normal curves.

[T/CHunter2009]

Originally Posted by Wolfpackin

Just stick with standard settings:
Normal Pitch=40-45-75-100 (-2/0/+10)
Stunt Pitch=0-25-50-75-100 (-10/0/+10)

Keep both Throttle curves high, 80% or more at half stick.

In the norman mode above there are only 4 settings ??? Should the first be o ? so should it read 0 - 42- 45-75-100 {-2/0/+10}

[Larry227]

It should read 40/45/50/75/100
You want 50 at mid stick for 0 pitch in that position

[Wolfpackin]

Just stick with standard settings:
Normal Pitch=40-45-75-100 (-2/0/+10)
Stunt Pitch=0-25-50-75-100 (-10/0/+10)

Sorry, typo...
Should be 40-45-50-75-100 as stated by Larry.

[T/CHunter2009]

Originally Posted by Larry227

I would set the pitch in idle up (P curves = 00-25-50-75-100) to be -10/0/+10. Then if you want different pitch at low to mid stick in normal mode just change your normal curves.

Do you mean the throttle hold in mode {1} should be as stated above. With out a ral long story . man Did I mess this bird up . I reset all the linkages as in a picture with measurements post somewhere on this site ,I printed it and copied all of them right to the T. I had to back one setting of in the links that go to the blase to get the right 0 at mid stick. Ah man this stuff gets confusing. So take a look and see if you spot anything wrong Please. Pitch Curve in Norma Mode L=35.5 % / 2=42.5% / 3=50% /4=75% /H=100% Stunt : L=0.0%/ 2=25% / 3=50% / 4= 75% H =100 Ok now Hold in pitch = L 35% 2=42.5 3=50% 4=75% H= 100% Ok now for Throttle Mode { 0 } is L =0.0% 2=42.5% 3=60$ 4=80% H=100% Now for stunt in Throttle Curve L=100% 2= 92.5% 3=85% 4 =92.5 H=100% Hold is -0.0 straight line-------------- . Swash Mix is Aile -75% Elev -75% Pitch = +70% That's where I ger mess up a little but it set up for O pitch in stunt Mid stick. D/R and Expo is now set like the new settings except I use only 10% expo in mode 0 and 15% in mode 1. Gyro is o= 70% and 1: is 25% . Holds pretty good but now when you get on the throttle is jigs to one side from the tork. I used to be pretty tame but now she screems pretty good ! I can fly it and with the canopy off it's load ! is that normal. Kind of cool actually. Let me know if ya see any thing that might help me tame it down but I would like to be able to go inverted sometime soon, The factory didn't have any neg. pitch in it , in stunt for Invert. ???

[FLYN]

Originally Posted by T/CHunter2009

Do you mean the throttle hold in mode {1} should be as stated above. With out a ral long story . man Did I mess this bird up . I reset all the linkages as in a picture with measurements post somewhere on this site ,I printed it and copied all of them right to the T. I had to back one setting of in the links that go to the blase to get the right 0 at mid stick. Ah man this stuff gets confusing. So take a look and see if you spot anything wrong Please. Pitch Curve in Norma Mode L=35.5 % / 2=42.5% / 3=50% /4=75% /H=100% Stunt : L=0.0%/ 2=25% / 3=50% / 4= 75% H =100 Ok now Hold in pitch = L 35% 2=42.5 3=50% 4=75% H= 100% Ok now for Throttle Mode { 0 } is L =0.0% 2=42.5% 3=60$ 4=80% H=100% Now for stunt in Throttle Curve L=100% 2= 92.5% 3=85% 4 =92.5 H=100% Hold is -0.0 straight line-------------- . Swash Mix is Aile -75% Elev -75% Pitch = +70% That's where I ger mess up a little but it set up for O pitch in stunt Mid stick. D/R and Expo is now set like the new settings except I use only 10% expo in mode 0 and 15% in mode 1. Gyro is o= 70% and 1: is 25% . Holds pretty good but now when you get on the throttle is jigs to one side from the tork. I used to be pretty tame but now she screems pretty good ! I can fly it and with the canopy off it's load ! is that normal. Kind of cool actually. Let me know if ya see any thing that might help me tame it down but I would like to be able to go inverted sometime soon, The factory didn't have any neg. pitch in it , in stunt for Invert. ???

The way I go about setting pitch is to set my linkages about right. change the Throttle Hold Pitch settings from the same as normal mode to stunt (idle-up) so I get max + & - travel in TH (diagonal straight line). I then set the stick to 50% throttle (be careful of that TH switch!) & adjust the blades to 0º. Then after that all you need do (if your head is setup good) is to get an even number on both blades for both max + & - values (e.g. -7/0/+7 max), if you can do this it'll allow you to just adjust the TX Swash Mix Pitch setting to get -10/0/+10. As you don't want to over extend your linkages trying to get -10/0/+10 on a 70% pitch setting. At the moment I got mine about 95% with -11/0/+11 º of pitch. Right or wrong the numbers are good & it flies even better!

I don't worry too much about the in's & out's as all them there numbers confudles my noggin. If I can get it even on both sides I'm happy & if it flies good, even better.

[1BADAIR]

you should always set the head up at mid stick in idle up. You can do this two ways.
Either set the throttle hold to match the idle pitch curves or unplug two motor wires and leave the throttle hold off.
If you use the throttle hold method you won't be able to read normal pitch with a gauge unless you reset the throttle hold curves to match your normal mode.
I would set the throttle hold up for idle up curves and be done. There isn't really any need to check the pitch in normal mode anyway . Just use the normal mode curve provided and you will be all set as long as your pitch is correct in idle up

[T/CHunter2009]

Alright Man , I got it. It was an all day process, and I learned the hard way. And I mean the hard way. Pitch Curves, Idle curves , resetting the linkages to match the Diagram with a Digital Calipers . Oh my what a day. But ya know what? I learned alot. Trial n' erea . After setting the pitch with the gauge in Idle up I now have 0 pitch at mid stick in that mode. {STUNT} with 10 + to - 10 . Yea baby !! I adjusted my normal pitch to match my style right now. So when I'm ready and I work my way up to { idle up } , All I'll have to do is flip it and Rock n' roll !!! In Normal mode I re- did the setting so I have only minus1 degree of pitch at L and 10 degrees at H . Its nice . and not ripping fast. n' loud. ! I'll tune on it now. I'm really getting good at this stuff now. I can take it down and rebuild it with no problem now. Guess the best way to learn is do dive in. Thanks so much for your Help guys. As always Once again.

[FLYN]

Originally Posted by T/CHunter2009

Alright Man , I got it. It was an all day process, and I learned the hard way. And I mean the hard way. Pitch Curves, Idle curves , resetting the linkages to match the Diagram with a Digital Calipers . Oh my what a day. But ya know what? I learned alot. Trial n' erea . After setting the pitch with the gauge in Idle up I now have 0 pitch at mid stick in that mode. {STUNT} with 10 + to - 10 . Yea baby !! I adjusted my normal pitch to match my style right now. So when I'm ready and I work my way up to { idle up } , All I'll have to do is flip it and Rock n' roll !!! In Normal mode I re- did the setting so I have only minus1 degree of pitch at L and 10 degrees at H . Its nice . and not ripping fast. n' loud. ! I'll tune on it now. I'm really getting good at this stuff now. I can take it down and rebuild it with no problem now. Guess the best way to learn is do dive in. Thanks so much for your Help guys. As always Once again.

I tell you, the first few times I tried set the correct pitch there was a whole lot of trial & error & even more head scratching! Like you said just dive in, if you're afraid to mess with it you aint ever gonna learn how it works.

Anyway good job man!

[T/CHunter2009]

I'm so glad I finally got it back to were Its a little on the tamer side like it was . I'll Tune on it some more tomorrow. Now that I know how things works. LOL Well Kinda .......... The Hard way. I'm sure I'll have many more questions as I go. But as long as the Blade Bible and all of you keep helping me out , I'm sure It can only get better. .