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Old 07-20-2009, 08:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi.
After been on this for a while with my e-620 I now need to upgrade to something with more power and longer airtime. As far as I can understand the benzin/gas is the best for cost/use. Now I need some advice from you guys.

There are couple of modells for aerial photo/video, these are the ones I found. Why is one better then the other? Why is the other more expensive? Which one should I not buy?
Need/want optinal parts like:
Autopilot/Co-pilot like helicommand pro or FMA.
GPS, and altitude, speed, volts etc (e-logger?)

Other stuff like downlinks etc are smaller issue.

Bergen observer, twin or normal:
http://www.bergenrc.com/Observer.php
Almost ready to go, with extended tank, long flight time.

Vario Benzin traineer:
http://www.vario-helicopter.de/benzin_trainer.html?&L=1
Only copter, need to get cam gimbal from others, like Survey-Copter, airstar, helicamsolutions or simular.

Airstar Camcopter
http://www.airstarintl.com/Cameraship.htm
Ready to go copter, with few optionals, as the extended tanks for up to 2.5h flight time.

Today I have good radio (12z), and some other stuff, what I need is the "perfect" rc- aerial helicopter for photo, video and movie. I want long airtimes like the airstar, with builtin generator for charging the batteries, for rx, cam and so on. I want to be able to load with about 5kg/ about 10lbs without decrease the airtime to much. Sometimes more. Gyro for the gimbal. Flightstabilation for the heli, like fma, helicommand or dji (others maybe?) with gps function.

So why is airstar so much more expensive? Is it realy that much better?
Spare parts, this is a vital question, coz maintenance is a must, costs, delivery time ect.

All ideas are welcome. Please need your input!

Thanks. Sedric.
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Old 07-20-2009, 02:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
 

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Don't forget the Copterworks AF-25B if you need long flight time.

http://copterworks.com/
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Superb.. any more?
I thought this thread was gonna go wild.. but its like... dead fish :-)
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I've never owned a Benzine or Bergen but I do personally know Chris Bergen and flown his personal machines (Turbine and Tazor) and the dude knows his stuff and offers great support.

+1 for Bergen
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have a Bergen Observer turbine and gasser and also an Airstar coptercam. They both do very well in the still photography and video arena.

A ++ on customer support from Bergen and Joseph from Airstar has great support also. He has had some bad press previously but I have not had any issues on the customer service department in the several years I have know him. Once the Bergen gasser is tuned up you have very little vibrations. The Airstar system has the camera mount on a springs so there seems to be less possibility of vibes from the helicopter that come from the engine.
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Old 07-21-2009, 03:50 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Good input.
Ofcource, the support, spareparts, deliverytime is very important!
I just got mail back from Josef, had lots of questions, and he came back with some very nice answers. "Copterstudios".. Good to hear that you have experience from both bergen and airstar. Atm I cant afford them both, so.. gonna go for one.. if you must choose one, which one would you pick, photo and video..

1 very important question to you. Can them both load cam's like Panasonic HVX200(x), they are about 3,5-5kg depending on configuration. I know that these to helis can lift it without any problems, more about the size... and are they stable?

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Old 07-25-2009, 07:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Big fan of the Bergen machines. I've got 2 now. Great support, too! I've never once regretted my decision to buy. And, if you happen to run into Chris or any of their reps out and about at a funfly or whatever, they'll welcome you like one of the family because that's how they look at it. Great people!
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Old 07-25-2009, 07:21 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Mark, great to hear.
What modells do u have?
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l currently have a Gas EB and Gas Standard boom. I've flown both their Razor and turbines, as well. All very nice machines.
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
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this is the ONLY thing you need to know:

Try the video on my gallery if you want higher quality: http://gallery.mac.com/ascentimagery#100451

http://www.vimeo.com/5573309

^^^^^ Bergen E-Observer with HPX170 footage ^^^^^^

end of discussion.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t...ghlight=bergen
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Thanks...
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And great movies!
You guys aint making this izi...
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Old 08-26-2009, 05:23 AM   #13 (permalink)
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this is the ONLY thing you need to know:

Try the video on my gallery if you want higher quality: http://gallery.mac.com/ascentimagery#100451

Aerial Reel - "Philmont" - Ascent Imagery on Vimeo

^^^^^ Bergen E-Observer with HPX170 footage ^^^^^^

end of discussion.
swch900,

if you used the Bergen E-Observer for that beautiful footage, may I ask what you use your Vario XLC for...?

TIA

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Old 08-27-2009, 12:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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also have a look at www.leptron.com
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