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DominicD · 05-31-2010, 10:34 AM

Its just alittle beefier, we had a few crack from engine vibrations. I ended up replacing mine because the new ones just look so cool. I believe the item is still considered an optional upgrade and thus won't be supplied in new kits.

burton8012 · 05-31-2010, 10:49 AM

dam u guys now i have to buy this upgrade!

lol im looking at mine now can i can see how it can help with the more surface area

dunkonu23 · 05-31-2010, 10:58 AM

I have it on mine, it's holding up great so far!

One other thing... that servo wire you have penetrating the left frame in the cutout... Clyde Fox suggested that I put a small piece of shrink on the wire at that point. I did so and it's working out great! I know you mentioned wrap, but that's a spot that might chaffe really quickly no matter how you sand the frame. Just a thought.

Scott

Finless · 05-31-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dunkonu23

One other thing... that servo wire you have penetrating the left frame in the cutout... Clyde Fox suggested that I put a small piece of shrink on the wire at that point. I did so and it's working out great! I know you mentioned wrap, but that's a spot that might chaffe really quickly no matter how you sand the frame. Just a thought.

Scott

Yes thanks. I did fix that already. While doing the final go over I did not like the looks of that wire in the frame. Even though I sanded all the edges of the frame including in the openings so it did have any sharp edges, I agree it did look like a chafe point. I fixed it by splitting a little fuel tube length wise and tie wrapped it around the wire.

Good point! If anyone needs a picture of what we are talking about let me know and I will take one.

Bob

dunkonu23 · 05-31-2010, 12:23 PM

Cool, Bob...

I'm using a different engine than you, a YS-56 is what I have, but one thing that happened on the first flight on mine was chaffing on the tank. I rounded the frames really good for the tank mount, yet it chaffed. I caught it quick and put some split fuel line between the frame and the contact points, and it's working out just fine. I'm thinking that at times the YS-56 may over pressurize the tank just slightly. I don't know if it will happen with your engine, though. The Outrage folks havent mentioned it as an area of concern though, so your mileage may vary. LOL!

I had to write that. ;0

Scott

burton8012 · 05-31-2010, 12:26 PM

ohh crap good thing u guys brought this out i just looked at my tank and in the middle of the tank on both side i see the frame eating into my tank.. i think it can be saved just gotta look closer

Finless · 05-31-2010, 10:05 PM

Yes because of the large positive pressure the YS uses with the check valve the tank expands a LOT... Had the same problem on a few helis like this design with that pressure system.

Alas my maiden flight did not go well today. Because I had an early KME engine I got 30 seconds of hover and the con rod bushing let go on the crank journal and.... done... KME is bringing me a new one tomorrow since he lives right near me. Awesome...

Anyway maiden will again be attempted this coming weekend

Bob

DominicD · 05-31-2010, 10:10 PM

You pulled an Austin ! (aka Team Tail in).

Finless · 05-31-2010, 10:15 PM

Huh?

Bob

dunkonu23 · 05-31-2010, 10:18 PM

I thought it was something perculiar to that engine. It's nice to have confirmation, now. Thanks, Bob.

Sorry about your engine. It's cool that KME is taking care of you, though.

Hope your back is getting better, sir.

Scott

DominicD · 05-31-2010, 10:19 PM

He killed like 3 engines on his Velocity in a matter of about 2-3 weeks.

Finless · 05-31-2010, 10:29 PM

Well I have never in 30+ years of RC ever blew up an engine... I wore them out.. TRUTH..... But this one must have had some problem from the get go as seriosuly... It was smoking way too rich and lasted about 30 seconds then BAM.... shut down. When I went to restart it I could hear something was not right. Pulled it apart when I got home and the bushing on the con rod was gone and the rod where it connects to the crank journal was egg shaped. Beauty is after tearing it down all parts look pretty good! All I need is a new con rod!

So thats the tip guys... when something ain't right DO NOT try to keep running it especially an engine. Tear it down and see whats up! Otherwise its MORE COST in parts!

Bob

Finless · 05-31-2010, 10:34 PM

Also FYI... just my opinion but Outrage needs to make the washout pins a little longer. Twice while the heli was powered off the swash dropped and dislocated the washout pins. When that happens when you power up the next time, the servo strain is like leaving your blades in the blade holder! If the pins were like 2mm longer the swash could drop to the frame, bottom out, and the washout would not come out of the pins. Just an observation since it happened to me twice today.

Many of the newer servos today have no force when powered off and the swash can drop all the way PAST your radio settings. This is not new to this heli or others! That is why I found the problem so fast. BUT because of the outrage design and unlike other helis, making the pins a little longer would prevent that yet not interfere with the swash plat at full pitch.

Just some 3 cent input from me to Outrage

Bob

DominicD · 05-31-2010, 10:37 PM

I might be crazy but i think the 2nd+ generation kits have longer pins.

Wurger · 05-31-2010, 10:40 PM

Hey now HFG! That isnt fair. Everyone makes it sound like I leaned them out to destruction or something... and love to exaggerate the situation. It was 2 times and both were just bad luck.

NR57 - Despite there being thread lock, the nut that holds the throttle arm on, backed out... and it rolled to 100% throttle until the tank had not a single drop of fuel in it.

YS56 - The hose on the tank blew up (its that high class dubro silicon stuff) on the pressure release and shot fuel all over the damn thing .. I landed once I noticed there was no smoke coming from the pipe but had to wait for a planker to dead stick in as well.

By the way.. I beat that damn poll with this weekend's fun fly(LOL!)
https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=206921

burton8012 · 05-31-2010, 11:25 PM

bob i have a message from our buddy .. YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND!

Eduardo · 06-01-2010, 11:51 AM

Bob,

Maiden flight, maiden flight. PLEASE !

Eduardo

Finless · 06-01-2010, 12:20 PM

I tried... read my post about 4 up. Had engine troubles....

Bob

dxtarl · 06-01-2010, 09:31 PM

Hey BOB hows about a rebuild video?????

Finless · 06-01-2010, 11:46 PM

Funny you should ask! I am going to do one. KME engine is different than most but I am going to do something! Jerome from KME just stopped by and dropped of the parts I need. Turned out I had a problem crank shaft and he knew instantly the problem. My desire is to get this engine going to do the maiden on this ASAP but ater.... now that I have 2 engines... a rebuild video is EXACTLY what I was thinking

Bob

05-31-2010, 10:34 AM	#201 (permalink)
DominicD The Capi My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2006	Its just alittle beefier, we had a few crack from engine vibrations. I ended up replacing mine because the new ones just look so cool. I believe the item is still considered an optional upgrade and thus won't be supplied in new kits. __________________ Spreading capibara awareness since 2006

05-31-2010, 10:58 AM	#203 (permalink)
dunkonu23 Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, slightly Northeast of Hell	I have it on mine, it's holding up great so far! One other thing... that servo wire you have penetrating the left frame in the cutout... Clyde Fox suggested that I put a small piece of shrink on the wire at that point. I did so and it's working out great! I know you mentioned wrap, but that's a spot that might chaffe really quickly no matter how you sand the frame. Just a thought. Scott __________________ *Spartan Vortex Inside,Team Scorpion* KBDD Team Pilot ):>

05-31-2010, 12:23 PM	#205 (permalink)
dunkonu23 Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, slightly Northeast of Hell	Cool, Bob... I'm using a different engine than you, a YS-56 is what I have, but one thing that happened on the first flight on mine was chaffing on the tank. I rounded the frames really good for the tank mount, yet it chaffed. I caught it quick and put some split fuel line between the frame and the contact points, and it's working out just fine. I'm thinking that at times the YS-56 may over pressurize the tank just slightly. I don't know if it will happen with your engine, though. The Outrage folks havent mentioned it as an area of concern though, so your mileage may vary. LOL! I had to write that. ;0 Scott __________________ *Spartan Vortex Inside,Team Scorpion* KBDD Team Pilot ):>

05-31-2010, 10:05 PM	#207 (permalink)
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005	Yes because of the large positive pressure the YS uses with the check valve the tank expands a LOT... Had the same problem on a few helis like this design with that pressure system. Alas my maiden flight did not go well today. Because I had an early KME engine I got 30 seconds of hover and the con rod bushing let go on the crank journal and.... done... KME is bringing me a new one tomorrow since he lives right near me. Awesome... Anyway maiden will again be attempted this coming weekend Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" NEW Video Link -> Safety Video #1 Video Link -> CAUTION using powerful tools! Video Link -> How to CRASH TWICE in one flight! Video Link -> Don't Taco!

05-31-2010, 10:10 PM	#208 (permalink)
DominicD The Capi My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2006	You pulled an Austin ! (aka Team Tail in). __________________ Spreading capibara awareness since 2006

05-31-2010, 10:49 AM	#202 (permalink)
burton8012 My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2009	dam u guys now i have to buy this upgrade! lol im looking at mine now can i can see how it can help with the more surface area

05-31-2010, 12:26 PM	#206 (permalink)
burton8012 My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2009	ohh crap good thing u guys brought this out i just looked at my tank and in the middle of the tank on both side i see the frame eating into my tank.. i think it can be saved just gotta look closer

05-31-2010, 10:15 PM	#209 (permalink)
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005	Huh? Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" NEW Video Link -> Safety Video #1 Video Link -> CAUTION using powerful tools! Video Link -> How to CRASH TWICE in one flight! Video Link -> Don't Taco!

05-31-2010, 10:18 PM	#210 (permalink)
dunkonu23 Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan, slightly Northeast of Hell	I thought it was something perculiar to that engine. It's nice to have confirmation, now. Thanks, Bob. Sorry about your engine. It's cool that KME is taking care of you, though. Hope your back is getting better, sir. Scott __________________ *Spartan Vortex Inside,Team Scorpion* KBDD Team Pilot ):>

05-31-2010, 10:19 PM	#211 (permalink)
DominicD The Capi My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2006	He killed like 3 engines on his Velocity in a matter of about 2-3 weeks. __________________ Spreading capibara awareness since 2006

05-31-2010, 10:29 PM	#212 (permalink)
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005	Well I have never in 30+ years of RC ever blew up an engine... I wore them out.. TRUTH..... But this one must have had some problem from the get go as seriosuly... It was smoking way too rich and lasted about 30 seconds then BAM.... shut down. When I went to restart it I could hear something was not right. Pulled it apart when I got home and the bushing on the con rod was gone and the rod where it connects to the crank journal was egg shaped. Beauty is after tearing it down all parts look pretty good! All I need is a new con rod! So thats the tip guys... when something ain't right DO NOT try to keep running it especially an engine. Tear it down and see whats up! Otherwise its MORE COST in parts! Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" NEW Video Link -> Safety Video #1 Video Link -> CAUTION using powerful tools! Video Link -> How to CRASH TWICE in one flight! Video Link -> Don't Taco!

05-31-2010, 10:34 PM	#213 (permalink)
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005	Also FYI... just my opinion but Outrage needs to make the washout pins a little longer. Twice while the heli was powered off the swash dropped and dislocated the washout pins. When that happens when you power up the next time, the servo strain is like leaving your blades in the blade holder! If the pins were like 2mm longer the swash could drop to the frame, bottom out, and the washout would not come out of the pins. Just an observation since it happened to me twice today. Many of the newer servos today have no force when powered off and the swash can drop all the way PAST your radio settings. This is not new to this heli or others! That is why I found the problem so fast. BUT because of the outrage design and unlike other helis, making the pins a little longer would prevent that yet not interfere with the swash plat at full pitch. Just some 3 cent input from me to Outrage Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" NEW Video Link -> Safety Video #1 Video Link -> CAUTION using powerful tools! Video Link -> How to CRASH TWICE in one flight! Video Link -> Don't Taco!

05-31-2010, 10:37 PM	#214 (permalink)
DominicD The Capi My HF Map location Join Date: Oct 2006	I might be crazy but i think the 2nd+ generation kits have longer pins. __________________ Spreading capibara awareness since 2006

05-31-2010, 10:40 PM	#215 (permalink)
Wurger Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA	Hey now HFG! That isnt fair. Everyone makes it sound like I leaned them out to destruction or something... and love to exaggerate the situation. It was 2 times and both were just bad luck. NR57 - Despite there being thread lock, the nut that holds the throttle arm on, backed out... and it rolled to 100% throttle until the tank had not a single drop of fuel in it. YS56 - The hose on the tank blew up (its that high class dubro silicon stuff) on the pressure release and shot fuel all over the damn thing .. I landed once I noticed there was no smoke coming from the pipe but had to wait for a planker to dead stick in as well. By the way.. I beat that damn poll with this weekend's fun fly(LOL!) https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=206921 __________________ -Austin Helifreak Special Bacon Awareness Committee

05-31-2010, 11:25 PM	#216 (permalink)
burton8012 My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2009	bob i have a message from our buddy .. YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND!

06-01-2010, 11:51 AM	#217 (permalink)
Eduardo Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2007	Maiden flight Bob, Maiden flight, maiden flight. PLEASE ! Eduardo __________________ GOBLIN 500 / T-REX 450 V2 SPORT - HITEC AURORA 9

06-01-2010, 12:20 PM	#218 (permalink)
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005	I tried... read my post about 4 up. Had engine troubles.... Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" NEW Video Link -> Safety Video #1 Video Link -> CAUTION using powerful tools! Video Link -> How to CRASH TWICE in one flight! Video Link -> Don't Taco!

06-01-2010, 09:31 PM	#219 (permalink)
dxtarl Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jul 2006	Hey BOB hows about a rebuild video????? __________________ I only crash when i get to excited, and try something new, or when something technical goes wrong (hey, that's my fault to, i do the setup and pre-check....)

06-01-2010, 11:46 PM	#220 (permalink)
Finless Team Taco VP Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005	Funny you should ask! I am going to do one. KME engine is different than most but I am going to do something! Jerome from KME just stopped by and dropped of the parts I need. Turned out I had a problem crank shaft and he knew instantly the problem. My desire is to get this engine going to do the maiden on this ASAP but ater.... now that I have 2 engines... a rebuild video is EXACTLY what I was thinking Bob __________________ "Don't Taco My Pack Dude!" NEW Video Link -> Safety Video #1 Video Link -> CAUTION using powerful tools! Video Link -> How to CRASH TWICE in one flight! Video Link -> Don't Taco!

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