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Old 11-02-2010, 06:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 450 head modification

Had alot of time on my hands as its been raining alot and it becomes dark quick this days ( winter season ). so I took one of the extra head and transformed it to a FBL head
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ragge, could you tell us if there is a specific reason why you kept the seesaw mixing arms, instead of connecting the bladegrips directly to the swash plate ? Just being curious. :o

Edit: to get a longer lever on the blade grips for example, avoiding too much sensitivity going from the swash plate directly to the blade grips ?
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Raf, this is the same configuration that you see most Trex 500 Flybar heads converted. There is actually a guide too do it exactly like this. I couldn't recall the logic or reasoning too doing it this way versus just going swash to grip, but my assumption is you do not need to modify any CNC, purchase any extra length links or do anything other than fixing the arms in this configuration.

More or less the "make the best of what you got" method.

Do let us know how it handles compared to a FBL head design.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You're probably right Mike. I guess I always liked the "cleaner" heads so much, needing less parts, but mechanically it will work just as well, agreed.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This was my approach for a home made FBL conversion, but I needed to get longer stand-offs on the blade grips indeed.


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Old 11-03-2010, 05:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I got guide frn the internet a time back but I think its not there anymore and as UPGl2AYDD "make the best of what you got" ,
I'm thinking of hooking it with SK-360 thats on my Trex 500 , just waiting for the beastX that will go on the 500
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Quote from that PDF:


The reducer arms are required because the standard blade grips
for the SK360 have their ball link close to the axis of the spindle shaft, which results in too
much cyclic blade pitch for flybarless operation

Makes sense.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm with you Raf, I prefer the clean look myself as well, it's part of the fun of flybarless. But these projects are also fun too.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:46 AM   #9 (permalink)
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giving HC a go , got this update yesterday gonna test it http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=14923
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Make sure you let us know how she flys!
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Old 12-18-2010, 02:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Make sure you let us know how she flys!
hej guys the HC update works nice , for the price its a good update
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Old 12-31-2010, 10:31 AM   #12 (permalink)
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like experiment stuff, got a $30 tarot FBL head, tested outside my house , gotta give a good spinn on sonday ( don't think I'm up to it tomorrow )
hook on my 450 with SK-360 system , flies good but don't like that have to connect to the computer everytime I set it up
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Can't wait to hear the flight report!

I love projects like this
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Looks really nice! I, too, want that report. I've had a mild curiosity about the Tarot for awhile.
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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japp gonna do that
the only change I did was to remover the Dampers that came with it, too soft and replaced with TrueBlood Super Hard Dampers and locktite all screws
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rd-Damperner-4
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Ragge, are those dampers 4mm ID? Hmm looking at Amains site and wondering if "Damperner" is a word.
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Had alot of time on my hands as its been raining alot and it becomes dark quick this days ( winter season ). so I took one of the extra head and transformed it to a FBL head
I am wondering if it's possible to remove the sesaw mixing arm and replace the blade grip with FBL blade grip and use a longer link from swashplate to FBL blade grip.
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:44 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I think that would work
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Not with the standard links, Ragge, methinks . The seesaw arms lock onto the shaft and their main function is to keep the top of the swash plate aligned with the blade grips, direct links wouldn't be able to do it. They would have to be similar to what on your head connects swash plate to the mixing arms, Compass has designed something similar.
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Jerry , maybe I misunderstood sesaw but I think it will work as if he replace the blade grip with FBL so the head would look almost as the complete FBL head ,
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