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Old 03-31-2010, 04:45 PM   #21 (permalink)
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..............is it wrong for me to expect buyer to pay them,...........
Yes it's WRONG and a violation of the contract you agreed to in order to use Paypal as a form of payment.
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Default wrong for me to not understand,now i understand all fees involved,

it was wrong for me not to add them to the overall price,i contacted paypal and it is the seller that has to include fees,however i am sure i may not be the only one whom was not aware of this.
now paypal has a simple formula they gave me,i will just round up next time,but in my defence i did tell the buyer i would split the fee in advance,before payment was made.but from now on i will include ie as should everyone.
2.9% of the full amount + 30 cents = total balance.like i said i will just round up.

however,paypal said it is the sellers discretion to include the fees or not,and allow buyer to be responcible,that contradicted what he told me first,LOL,
nowonder no one knows this rule,
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:59 AM   #23 (permalink)
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When I see this, I get annoyed, and refuse to buy from that person..

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Price.. $xxx please add 3% if paying by paypal...

That is a perfect example of breaking the rule. I understand for large payments, ie. above $1,000, the seller would not "want" to lose the extra fee, but it still is a small part of the price..
Luckily, I've only seen this when someone is trying to sell well below cost, for quick sale.

It's annoying, but I see it mostly on forums, not so much on eBay.... at least with in my experience.

Just my $0.02 worth.

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Old 06-14-2010, 04:51 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Either way, somebody pays the PayPal fees. If I send somebody payment via gift, I get charged the $5 dollars or whatever it is, they don't. So if I buy something that costs $100, and they want it sent as gift so THEY avoid fees, I get charged $105+- out of my account.
Yea, it's annoying...................................
Just easier to learn what PayPal charges per transaction, and sell your item accordingly to avoid losing what you really wanted to earn.
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Either way, somebody pays the PayPal fees. If I send somebody payment via gift, I get charged the $5 dollars or whatever it is, they don't. So if I buy something that costs $100, and they want it sent as gift so THEY avoid fees, I get charged $105+- out of my account.
Yea, it's annoying...................................
Just easier to learn what PayPal charges per transaction, and sell your item accordingly to avoid losing what you really wanted to earn.
Is this new with PayPal? I sent gift payments to family members earlier this year (real gifts) and was never charged a fee.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:28 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I think it matters if the payment comes from funds within your paypal acct or by paying by credit card and such.


I used the gift function a coupla times for donations and that was the case with me. If I paid with a CC I payed the fees. It even told me "we're charging you the fees...not the recipient b/c it's a gift".
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:09 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I think some have misunderstood the original poster, when he stated paying $103...

The difference is simple, no matter how you pay, you pay $103, it's not $100 for MO, and $103 for paypal.

I think people are generally confused about this.

The simplest way I can put it, if, as a seller, you don't want to eat the paypal charge, you ask for a little extra. BUT, you have to charge that little extra for ANY type of payment. You cannot, as a seller, "penalize" those who decide to pay with paypal by ADDING 3%, while at the same time, NOT charge someone who decides to send you a check, or MO through the mail.

Last time I looked through the FS forum, there is a good 50% of the folks who state, in their post to add 3%, OR send as a gift. it's silly, really. $25-$30 for every $1,000... Instead of asking for a fee, why not just ask the buyer to pay for shipping. I think most people here would pay for shipping before they would pay a 3% "penalty" for using paypal.



hehe. I PM'd one of the mods here about the paypal fee request getting out of hand. It sounded as if, as a whole, they liked the idea of not allowing people to ask for fees, but stated the problem is enforcement.

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I think some have misunderstood the original poster, when he stated paying $103...

The difference is simple, no matter how you pay, you pay $103, it's not $100 for MO, and $103 for paypal.

I think people are generally confused about this.

The simplest way I can put it, if, as a seller, you don't want to eat the paypal charge, you ask for a little extra. BUT, you have to charge that little extra for ANY type of payment. You cannot, as a seller, "penalize" those who decide to pay with paypal by ADDING 3%, while at the same time, NOT charge someone who decides to send you a check, or MO through the mail.

Last time I looked through the FS forum, there is a good 50% of the folks who state, in their post to add 3%, OR send as a gift. it's silly, really. $25-$30 for every $1,000... Instead of asking for a fee, why not just ask the buyer to pay for shipping. I think most people here would pay for shipping before they would pay a 3% "penalty" for using paypal.



hehe. I PM'd one of the mods here about the paypal fee request getting out of hand. It sounded as if, as a whole, they liked the idea of not allowing people to ask for fees, but stated the problem is enforcement.

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That thought has also crossed my mind. I would hazard a guess that MOST, if not all, of the staff are against 'penalizing' buyers and making them pay the fee. But, how would you enforce that? Award points?? Hmm.....penalize someone for penalizing someone.
Wait...what??

I think maybe quoting paypals user agreement that sellers may not charge buyers any fees for the service of transferring money in their FS thread would be a reasonable solution.

Would it ruffle some feathers? You betcha.......
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I think maybe quoting paypals user agreement that sellers may not charge buyers any fees for the service of transferring money in their FS thread would be a reasonable solution.

Would it ruffle some feathers? You betcha.......
Well, they could add it to the FS forum rules. I thought I saw a sticky, regarding rules for the FS forum.
You're right about the enforcement.... penalize for penile___, wait... wait... that's not right. penalize for penalizing... That sounds better. But, I like the idea of at least quoting the PP rules, and maybe some hold on the seller acct until they fix the problem.... I don't know if you can make threads "invisible" or a temp delete, and after the fix is made, make it available. That way it's really "not" a penalty, but I imagine it takes much work by the mods....

ON a separate note, I've also seen other forums go so far as to require a photograph WITH the users screen name and date on a piece of paper, in the photo... Which would cut down on the scamming..... Of course, it wouldn't eliminate it... but, step in the right direction. I still think it's also a good idea to require a minimum of posts to access the FS forum, I know one that requires 100 (one HUNDRED!) But, I'm getting OT here.... so I will [/rant]

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Ya...it's a sticky situation all around, I would imagine, for the staff.

It's a good thing we have lots of good folks here with a watchful eye. Mods and regular 'ol members.
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on a notsounrelated note. It's a good idea to mail your package to the address that is given by the paypal payer. And make sure your buyer knows that's where it's going. Sometimes people without paypal accounts get a friend to pay and then pay the friend. But if you send it to an address different than the one on pay pal, the payer can simply dispute never getting the package 'cause ya mailed it to the "wrong" address.
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i would say, dont use paypal at all, they are a complete mess, and do not sort under any financial laws at all and can do as they please, they owed me about $2000 for 4 months without NO reason, before i got it back it NO legitime explanation of why the withdrown it from me.
-and if they only withdrown it from me, it would be, not ok but still ok, but they took the money from the people i have been dealing with!!
-so if you got money from a person and they for what ever reason deside to reverse that payment, YOU are stucked with a negative balance on your account for money you can have got to your account LONG time ago.
im no longer Paypal verfied, im Paypal TERRIFIED!
i have learned that a majority of the ppl. acting on PP is American and i have learned that you have a very antique bank system compared to Europe, but i hope you get it like us ASAP, i can transfer money to a seller from my bank, and the recipient will have inte in 1 sek. free of charge.
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Old 10-09-2010, 06:42 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I very new to HF and i am buying a blade from another member i was wondering about a good trader or something along that line i see a bad member and scammer aera but nothing for good people, Or i haven't run across it at this point! I am new AND honest trader just trying to get something posted on the site! Thanks Much Mark, Blaine MN
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I very new to HF and i am buying a blade from another member i was wondering about a good trader or something along that line i see a bad member and scammer aera but nothing for good people, Or i haven't run across it at this point! I am new AND honest trader just trying to get something posted on the site! Thanks Much Mark, Blaine MN
HF just recently introduced a trader rating system similar to alot of other sites. It is located in each members "public profile". Just click on their username and the first tab is the feedback score tab.

"ratings" are great and all....but it's always a good idea to research someones posts and 'history' not only here, at HF, but elsewhere. RCG....RCU....RR....etc etc Thats usually the best way to get a feel for who you're dealing with.

Anyways..welcome to HF!
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Ok thank you very much!!
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Old 11-25-2010, 11:51 AM   #36 (permalink)
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if i give a price,and don't specify paypal fees,but it is a new item and i pay shipping,as well as losing money on item.is it wrong for me to expect buyer to pay them,i always pay paypal fees when i buy something,it is a couple dollars,
that's the least i can do for getting a good deal,or not paying shippingif the item is under cost,
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To all who charge Paypal fees, This is a Cost of doing Business. It matters not that you are an individual or business. Paypal is a benefit to both the buyer and seller, you pay for the benefit, said and done. Anyone who charges a fee for paypal or asks to be paid as a gift we should not do business with. If you cheat one way you would think nothing of ripping me off IMHO! If you want to cover fees, raise your profit margin. This is standard business practice. If you went to a store and purchased a widget, would you pay them a 3% fee to pay with your credit card. I think not. Years ago gas stations did this and then they regulated this practice out! Finally, let's face facts, we are selling used items. You purchased the item (new or used), you got your use out of it, it is not gold you are selling. It is a used item, what ever you get for it is found money. We can not look at this as a profit item! Get over it all! If you are selling new items on here are you claiming it on your taxes? Are you collecting the sales tax? Or are you cheating the system all around!!!!

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To all who charge Paypal fees, This is a Cost of doing Business. It matters not that you are an individual or business. Paypal is a benefit to both the buyer and seller, you pay for the benefit, said and done. Anyone who charges a fee for paypal or asks to be paid as a gift we should not do business with. If you cheat one way you would think nothing of ripping me off IMHO! If you want to cover fees, raise your profit margin. This is standard business practice. If you went to a store and purchased a widget, would you pay them a 3% fee to pay with your credit card. I think not. Years ago gas stations did this and then they regulated this practice out! Finally, let's face facts, we are selling used items. You purchased the item (new or used), you got your use out of it, it is not gold you are selling. It is a used item, what ever you get for it is found money. We can not look at this as a profit item! Get over it all! If you are selling new items on here are you claiming it on your taxes? Are you collecting the sales tax? Or are you cheating the system all around!!!!
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To all who charge Paypal fees, This is a Cost of doing Business. It matters not that you are an individual or business. Paypal is a benefit to both the buyer and seller, you pay for the benefit, said and done. Anyone who charges a fee for paypal or asks to be paid as a gift we should not do business with. If you cheat one way you would think nothing of ripping me off IMHO! If you want to cover fees, raise your profit margin. This is standard business practice. If you went to a store and purchased a widget, would you pay them a 3% fee to pay with your credit card. I think not. Years ago gas stations did this and then they regulated this practice out! Finally, let's face facts, we are selling used items. You purchased the item (new or used), you got your use out of it, it is not gold you are selling. It is a used item, what ever you get for it is found money. We can not look at this as a profit item! Get over it all! If you are selling new items on here are you claiming it on your taxes? Are you collecting the sales tax? Or are you cheating the system all around!!!!

I disagree. I've sold ALOT of stuff on forums and invariably the people buying used or even new things off forums NOT ONLY want cheap prices, they then want to lowball the snot out of you, have you pay shipping, and then paypal fees on top of it. I'm more of the opinion I'll give the buyers a choice. You can send me a m/o, you can send pp gift/money owed, or you can pay the 3% fee. I'm trying to give someone an honest deal on a good product. Why should I pay extra for "your piece of mind". I have great feedback on the sites I trade on. If you need re-assurance, you can pay for it. I've also been ripped off like several other people both by people on forums and ALSO by paypal so I'm not really too high on letting paypal scam extra fees off me or anyone else for that matter. On most things I sell, unless it's a heli kit. I usually pay shipping, so I feel that offsets any pp fees a buyer might incur. In a store, the business marks things up to account for these "hidden" fees like CC fees etc.... On forums, sellers really can't account for that as a great number of buyers are simply cheapskates. I am too, to a degree, but we've got professional cheapskates in this hobby that will try to beat you down down down on anything, just so they can feel warm and fuzzy they are getting the absolute best deal ever. Sorry, but I'm a bit jaded when I sell things, take a beating on whatever I sell, and people come all up in arms b/c there is a fee!!!! Just a typical US citizen mentality. Why should I pay??? You can pay, you can afford to pay for me etc....!!!! I feel the way I do it, the buyer has a choice and nobody is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
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When youre selling something on a forum figure out how much you would like to get for it. Then add another 20%, shipping and paypal fees and and this is your asking price. Then you have that 20% to haggle with. If someone offers you 30% - 50% less then just say no, you dont have to sell to the first offerer.
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more than one way to get it off. I simply find that asking what I want for something allows me to sell something faster with less hassle. I'd rather not deal with the tire kickers anyway.
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