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Old 02-14-2011, 10:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default VBar 5.1 Governor - my list of ESC's

Here is the result of my testing of which ESC's have the best chance to work with the VBar governor.

Do note that there will be combos of motors/ESC/Sensor that will have issues, I have not identified exactly which ones as all the ones I run works perfectly, but it's bound to happen as there is so many possible combos.

I would suggest keeping in mind that these are cheaper ESC's, overhead on ratings is not something that is likely to be abundance of, so going for a bigger one instead of smaller is what I did.
Risk of them still going POOF is a real one, keep that in mind, it's up to you if you choose to run one.


TESTED AND CONFIRMED

HobbyWing Platinum Series
(also sold as Turnigy K-Force)
Do not mix up with older version which is called Pentium, Sentilon etc which has serious reliability issues.

External programmer required: No (all done with sticks)
Settings for optimal performance: Factory settings + Startup type: Very soft

Notes:
When using Phase sensor AND separate RX pack, common ground must be shared, run a cable with Negative lead only from RX -> Programming interface on ESC.
Overall: Very good performance, good soft start with above settings


Fusion Hawk 100 and 120A BL
(also sold as Mega Power Future 100/120A, SJ Propo 100, and 120A BL)

External programmer required: Yes (purchased separately)
Setting for optimal performance: Fastest throttle response setting, Set motor start power to lowest (default).
Turn Brake OFF!

Overall: Very good performance, built in Fan, a bit large form factor.


Align ESCs
(Included in various heli combos)

External programmer required: No
Setting for optimal performance: Fastest response possible.

Notes:It has been reported some inconstancies with Phase sensors and Align motors, do not know if that’s motors fault, phase sensor or esc.
Then you might need to switch to magnet type of sensor.
Overall: Good performance.


CURRENTLY NOT OPTIMAL
Castle Creation

External programmer required: Yes (purchased separately)
Setting for optimal performance: Airplane mode, Fixed endpoints, high throttle response.

Notes:
Balance between Gain in VBar governor and throttle response.
ICE: Use internal logging to make sure you do not hit 100% PWM (full throttle too often for optimal performance)
Overall:
Has delay on throttle response, Castle is aware, they will come out with an FW update.



NOT WORKING (or with bad performance)
Kontronik all versions (Jive, Jazz, Koby) Kontronik is aware.
Scorpion – Talking with Scorpion about this.
Turnigy Super Brain (max 6s but with BEC and logging) – Has no airplane mode, always in heli governor, not usable.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm curious as to why you recommend configuring the HW Platinum with Very Soft start. Doesn't VBar 5.1 have it's own soft start?

Does the VBar smooth out the initial jerk exhibited by the Platinum's Very Soft start? It's an issue on at least the 6HV's stock 70HV.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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There is a difference in Motor start power.
HobbyWing in normal mode drives the motor too fast the first 0.x seconds, spinning the heli even if you only put in the lowest throttle possible. i.e. just above start.

I found out that enable the soft setting PLUS having softstart in the Vbar = smooth as Jive, i.e. perfect startup.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Awesome work Fredrik, we all thank you

One question though, you mention to setup the Align ESCs in fastest response possible. Would this be the heli mode with quick throttle response, or airplane mode?
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Great stuff! Thanks for all the info!

One question about Castle ESCs... if I'm using a Castle and NOT using the built in BEC(using an RX pack), is there any special wiring required?
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I found out that enable the soft setting PLUS having softstart in the Vbar = smooth as Jive, i.e. perfect startup.
Just what I was hoping to hear. Thank you, sir!
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Align: Default mode (whatever that is)

Common Ground: Only one I found was on the Hobbywing that it was needed.
So no need on Castle.
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Align: Airplane mode

Common Ground: Only one I found was on the Hobbywing that it was needed.
So no need on Castle.
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Just what I was hoping to hear. Thank you, sir!
I should add that this change was something I did last few days, I flew with normal start before (with a good kick at spoolup), so if you run into issues you can revert back to running normal, but I do not see why it should cause issues inflight.
(could only test spoolup last few days, not full flights, too cold for me, but spoolups outside the garage is ok )
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Correction on align, it works in default mode, I thought that was airplane mode but it might default to Heli without governor... my guess both will work, i.e. one is just with softstart.
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I should add that this change was something I did last few days, I flew with normal start before (with a good kick at spoolup), so if you run into issues you can revert back to running normal, but I do not see why it should cause issues inflight.
(could only test spoolup last few days, not full flights, too cold for me, but spoolups outside the garage is ok )
So does his mean you can no longer use autorotation bail out with HobbyWing ESCs? If so that's a pretty big bummer.
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So does his mean you can no longer use autorotation bail out with HobbyWing ESCs? If so that's a pretty big bummer.
If that's of importance run Normal, the kick is probably less than it's with the internal governor, on ice it's visible, on grass not really.

You can also try the middle setting which I have not tried.

All in all, I tried perhaps 50 different combos with ESC's, motors, helis, sensors, settings, now it's up to you guys to refine all this.

If you want Turn key solution wait a bit more and solutions have probably come forward by people running various things.
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Will the ICE 160HV work well with Pyro 700-52? I know it wont be optimal until CC comes out with a patch, but still curious.
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No idea, does CC work with it now? How an esc drive the motor is the same, so compability is the same.

Its only certain combos that will interfere with phase sensor that might need magnetic sensor instead..
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Ok, I get it now. I have not flown the Pyro with CC ESC yet. It is installed and ready to go, I am just waiting for the 5.1 release.

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Correction on align, it works in default mode, I thought that was airplane mode but it might default to Heli without governor... my guess both will work, i.e. one is just with softstart.
Default is usually heli mode/no governor/soft start enabled.

At any rate, since the testing is on us users, I will definitely report back my findings regarding my setup and 5.1 (T500 V-Bar, Hyperion motor and phase sensor, Align 70A ESC).
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What gain value in the Vbar Gov software is a good place to start with the CC ESC's?
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Videos coming soon where I mention this, start roughly with 25, but as you see I'm a bit wage in the description above, I do not know what is the best for a given combo, with the built in delay the Castle has you have to try around, balancing between throttle response and vbar gain.

Going down a little on gain might allow you to run higher throttle response, and that might give you different performance, problem is that I had no time for that during my tests.
I've been glad when I got a few flights per day because of the winter here..
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:37 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Just read this: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...2#post17405966

4-8 months for the CC firmware update?

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Not unexpected to be honest, there is reasons why the delay is there.

However, you can tweak it quite well before that, you just wont get the performance I did in my video with Hobbywing where we are talking max +-25 rpm change in those sustained tictocs...
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