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Old 06-24-2019, 08:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Oldschoolcool 600SE

After seeing Rob43's thread with him building what was my first Logo, a 2010 600SE it got me nostalgic and wanting that machine again. Always loved that 50's Classic Red Canopy.


So I put up a 'want to buy' thread and low and behold got a reply from member AceDude. He told me he had the kit I was looking for mostly built, never had electronics in it. So we went back and forth making sure he had as complete as possible so I had no surprises needing to source stuff and worked out a price. He ended up finding everything (even NIB Edge 693's) but Tail Blades, swash links and a Pinion.


Machine got here Thursday and I spent that night and Friday evening getting it setup and flew Saturday morning. No hangups,'build' went smooth. I did add a couple updates, one being 600SX Tail Rotor with 5mm Bearings and 3mm Bolts. Also did the new Head (4631) which I scored free from RotorQuest's Eugene. Had it in his spares bag and said he didn't need. Got both 25 and 30mm Counter Bearings as well but have decided not to run yet.


For my setup I went kinda old school too.
Scorpion HK 4035-560, the original straight can Scorp. Running it on 6S with a 15 tooth and getting 1350/1500/1650 rpm. 1500 being my favorite.
ESC is new tech, Scorpion Tribunus 120/6S
Old VBar w/ Sat running on VBar Control Tx

Futaba BLS451's / 256 all run at 7.2V
GensAce 6S 4400

Edge/Switch 693/105mm


I've got 12 flights on it so far and am having a blast.
Flys nice and light on 6S but still feels precise and pulls hard enough at the 1500 and 1650 head speeds. The 1350 is oK, just feels anemic on collective.

Gettingt 6-7min flights.


I have some RotorTech 710's I might try out. With the extra height an SE main shaft has clearance will be tight but doable. Also the SX Dampers aren't going to collapse like the older ones did in 2 piece head. Ultimately I might grab some VTX697's and maybe, just maybe put this in a 'Mikado' Hughes 500 Otherwise this thing is where I want it to be setup wise.


Love this Canopy
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Looks great Scott and sounds like you are having fun.
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Old 06-24-2019, 03:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sweet!! Looks awsome on that nicely manicured grass!!

Couple of reference points I'd like to check with you using that one piece head:

1. What length of links are being used for swash to pitch (60 or 65, I think) and for swash to servo (30 or 35, I think)?
2. And what is the resulting height of the swash when at zero pitch?

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Sweet!! Looks awsome on that nicely manicured grass!!

Couple of reference points I'd like to check with you using that one piece head:

1. What length of links are being used for swash to pitch (60 or 65, I think) and for swash to servo (30 or 35, I think)?
2. And what is the resulting height of the swash when at zero pitch?

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those numbers will vary between the same model helis.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
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60's I'm guessing on mine Rob, length measured between link ends is 44mm.
My servo-swash links are 40mm, 35's weren't in stock. I have them wound right down to 19.5mm.


Swash height above the chassis is about 27mm. With the seperate swash driver on SE you have lot's of wiggle room because you can move driver up/down to get arms level.
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That makes sense, Scott. As you know, I assembled with the old head block so far, but have the new one, and want to use it instead. I think it will place the spindle center higher than the old block assembly, so the total linkage stack height will be a touch taller than the v1 version. I acquired the 35's for servo to swash, but I was only able to find 65's for the pitch links. I believe my machine came with 65's and they seem like they might be too long.
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New head is same height Rob.
If 65's are too long cut a couple mm off each end, though I imagine you'll be fine.
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Poopy weather today so added some bling.
CF Boom, Alloy Tail Mount and some Rattle can on the Stab!


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I like the metal tail mount, where can I get one?
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:43 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I acquired mine at the Mikado USA shop. Look here:

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Nice tweaks to your heli, Scott! I might do the boom too, eventually. I might even have a carbon weave tube still in my stash...I ordered several a few years ago since the shipping was a costly flat charge. I can't recall if the one I have is 25mm or 22 mm.
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I like the metal tail mount, where can I get one?



Part MIK5129 as Rob linked.
It sure does make putting the tail case together effortless. Just bolts up and is square.


Also has a 2mm hole for setscrew in one side. This eliminates the static wire on the Tail Case and it looks cool!
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Metal tail case should be standard on all kits really.
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I wouldn't say that. It does weigh twice what the plastic part weighs so with certain setups could effect CG.


I just saw it offered at a decent price and thought I'd try it.
Definitely don't feel it's a 'needed upgrade'
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I recently rebuilt my old Logo 600 and I`m thinking in convert it to SE. I fly mostly middle - low RPM (1500 - 1700), however I read about the issues with the one way bearing with 690 blades...
My setup: M1 gear, 106 - 12 ratio
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I think at 10S on that motor you'll be fine. Just don't go crazy with pitch.
On my 6S setup 12* is plenty at those Head Speeds.
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I wouldn't say that. It does weigh twice what the plastic part weighs so with certain setups could effect CG.


I just saw it offered at a decent price and thought I'd try it.
Definitely don't feel it's a 'needed upgrade'
I was wondering about the weight, I'm already maxed out on CG on the 600 and 690. Tail weight would be bad
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I was wondering about the weight, I'm already maxed out on CG on the 600 and 690. Tail weight would be bad
really, you cant notice the difference between the plastic and the metal one. you would barely have to move the lipos foreward if you really wanted to account for it. if you needed to at all.
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really, you cant notice the difference between the plastic and the metal one. you would barely have to move the lipos foreward if you really wanted to account for it. if you needed to at all.

1/2" forward on my machine


Speaking of weight my machine comes in at 3.34kg all up with 6S/4400
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Tried 710's, too floaty. If I drastically dropped RPM (50%) they might be beneficial. Sooo I am planning on going the other way and trying some 670's.


I am also considering some 700mm since they share better with my TDR.
Looking at XBldades 702, Rotortech Ultimate as well as Azure Power 700 though i can't find much about the latter.


VTX I fear will load up power setup too much but I do like em, hmmmm
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