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Old 11-04-2013, 07:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default What is the highest quality 450 size heli?

What is the highest quality 450 size heli if money is no object?

I realize there are tons of factors involved, but throw out your personal favorite.

I'm looking for what is available today, not future stuff.

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Old 11-04-2013, 07:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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TREX 450. Best in the business!
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Old 11-04-2013, 07:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have a Rave (run on 3s and 4s with 325s and 350s), TT e325, all of Align's 450s except the 460l and sport versions, and probably a few others I am forgetting. Also have owned the TT e325 SE, Beam and Furion.

So far my favorite is the Align 450 Pro v2 (flybarless, non-DFC). Flies extremely well, the frame is a tank, and the head is much easier on the servos than the DFC head. I would upgrade it with the new bearing blocks and tail from the DFC version. Besides that, I believe this is the best option right now when considering price, durabillity, flyabillity, frame layout and spare parts cost.

I also like the 450mx motor and 35x/35p ESCs... everything else I dump from the combo (electronics)
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Check out JR's Forza
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I would have said the mini Protos since I own one, but I have my reservations. QC has dropped big time. The stock 16T pinion cracks just by looking at it. MSH's customer service is non-existent and parts can be hard to find when you need them the most. I guess I haven't been lucky with the mini Protos.

The X3 and Forza are getting raving reviews and so is the T450L. I'll be selling the mini to get a different, more practical 450 size heli.
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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JR Forza, Compass WARP, mini Protos or the Rave... I had a 450 Pro, nice heli, but longevity is not in its vocabulary and the tolerances suck, therefore I would exclude Align from the list of 'highest quality'.
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:48 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I have to say a 450 Pro. I have a flybarred model that is 3 years old. The motor bearings just went so I replace it with a 450MX motor. This thing just will not stop. Same servos in it from day one, Align Gyro, and just a great frame and learning tool...
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:57 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I've never even seen one, but surely the Furion 450 is a high contender?
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I've been thinking about this one too, mostly because I have a complete set of premium electronics minus the motor for one of these.

If I pull the trigger I would either go with the JR Forza or Mini-Protos. Both are very quiet.

JR's Forza gets some pretty high praise for kit quality, flying and has a larger presense than some of the others. It is also very easy to work on.

The Mini-Protos gets praise for light weight and flying and is easy to work on.

In the end I think the Forza will be easier to see and have higher part quality and I would probably pick it.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I own the forza and i am lovin it. By the way i have a spare NIB kit with motor, servos, all metal upgrades, extra 16 tooth pinion and the latest JR scorpion motor upgrade as well if interested, PM me.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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JR Forza, Compass WARP, mini Protos or the Rave...
That about sums it up IMHO. I'm very impressed with my Protos. And if anyone is interested there is a very nice build thread with lots of pics of the JR Forza 450 in the JR section.

Cant really second the part about Align, I've never owned one.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Since folks are recommending helis who haven't flown it themselves I feel I can now chime in with my opinion. If I were to build a 450 class heli today I would go with the Compass Warp for a couple of reasons:

1. Initial kit quality issues appear to have already been resolved.
2. Excellent support from both dealers and the HF Compass forum community.
3. Tail is belt driven which to me is a big plus as I usually fly in parks where landing on tall grass or on snow is the norm.
4. The tail maintains authority running both high and low head speeds.
5. Relatively quiet.
6. Big canopy might not be the most beautiful but it is highly visible. I especially like the TDR style canopies from Heliwow which appear to be even bigger than the stock ones.
7. I have had excellent experience building and flying my Compass helicopters.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:31 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Since folks are recommending helis who haven't flown it themselves I feel I can now chime in with my opinion. If I were to build a 450 class heli today I would go with the Compass Warp for a couple of reasons:
I've talked with too many Warp owners, who wouldn't get one again.

What I hear is that it performs well and is very flexible, but can be challenging to work on.

When I compare the very consistant and positive feedback for the Forza and Mini-Protos, with what I hear about the Warp it falls off my radar very fast. People either seem to have drunk the Kool Aid and defend it to the death, or they are mediocre about it to hating it.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:40 AM   #14 (permalink)
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450 size, that would be Align and JR Forza, the bigger 360 size then it would be Mini Titan V2 360.
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While I don't own a Forza, I do own both a Vibe 50 and Vibe E12. JR's quality is amazing. If I were to by a 450 class machine right now I'd get a Forza in a heart beat.

Check out the Forza build thread:
https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=561873
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:52 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I've talked with too many Warp owners, who wouldn't get one again.

What I hear is that it performs well and is very flexible, but can be challenging to work on.

When I compare the very consistant and positive feedback for the Forza and Mini-Protos, with what I hear about the Warp it falls off my radar very fast. People either seem to have drunk the Kool Aid and defend it to the death, or they are mediocre about it to hating it.
I own a Warp and I gotta say, I don't know who you talked to, but the warp is not a difficult heli to work on. Its simple, super simple... though it did have its initial teething issues when it came out. I can understand how given its unique design it is not a heli for everybody, but it is my favorite heli on the 'list'. I named the others because I've seen them in person and see the parts quality and design.
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Since folks are recommending helis who haven't flown it themselves I feel I can now chime in with my opinion. If I were to build a 450 class heli today I would go with the Compass Warp for a couple of reasons:

1. Initial kit quality issues appear to have already been resolved.
2. Excellent support from both dealers and the HF Compass forum community.
3. Tail is belt driven which to me is a big plus as I usually fly in parks where landing on tall grass or on snow is the norm.
4. The tail maintains authority running both high and low head speeds.
5. Relatively quiet.
6. Big canopy might not be the most beautiful but it is highly visible. I especially like the TDR style canopies from Heliwow which appear to be even bigger than the stock ones.
7. I have had excellent experience building and flying my Compass helicopters.

C'mon, thats a Helifreak staple.......recommending a heli you've never flown or owned.(and sometimes not on the market yet! LOL)
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I read Hirobo as high end helis. I have not searched for reviews, but the 450 size Embla looks pretty nice.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:01 AM   #19 (permalink)
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It's a 450 Rick who cares about quality, just get the 450L like I did
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:43 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I would recommend the Warp without reservation. I have a second generation kit, and it went together easily, flies well, and is extremely reliable. I don't find it difficult to work on at all.


"I've never even seen one, but surely the Furion 450 is a high contender?"

I think it would be, but I am not sure that it is still in production-I have had one for several years now. It is a very high quality machine, in terms of fit and finish and has quite a bit of zap to it in flight (very scientific, I know). Mine needs to be upgraded to FBL, and might get a Warp head, if it fits.


I would also recommend the TT Mini-Titan. This one has been largely ignored for years, but is like the Energizer Bunny in terms of reliability. Mine is about six years old (from whenever they first came out), and has been updated to FBL with the new head had a Robird, and is flying very well. The fit and finish of mine is hard to compare, as the machine is mostly plastic, but it is quite well done and seems to sort of last forever. Flight performance is very good, whether flybarred or FBL.
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