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Andrew166 · 07-15-2014, 09:18 AM

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ok guys, this is the 3rd new sprag installed, and new pinion as well, we tried the metal cage sprag and plastic cage one as well, keeps slipping, we don't think it's the sprag, what can it be? help we need to get this bird in the sky!!!

, also clutch is good too, we checked that as well.

Andrew166 · 07-15-2014, 12:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2WjdYfhXBk

helpppppppp how to fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrew166 · 08-06-2014, 10:07 AM

fixed it 422M sprag 100.00 sprag bearing GMN sells them

frito169 · 08-07-2014, 01:16 PM

wow expensive but if it fixes the problem.... How's the new sprag working out?

Andrew166 · 08-07-2014, 10:58 PM

6 flights so far so good.

OldGasser · 08-11-2014, 02:48 PM

Hi Guys,

Just for information.

I am using the FE 422 Z2 (specified up to 13200 rpm and 30 Nm) with a RL 422 instead of the cap, which acts as additional support on the upper side. Fits tightly and nicely and works perfect, way better than the original. Wondering why MA did not use this disign.

Bought it from WAELAG, was about 30 Euros for both plus shipping.

Kind regrads
George

Andrew166 · 08-12-2014, 01:52 PM

What cap? you removed the brass cap on the sprag? and used those two new parts?

OldGasser · 08-14-2014, 04:40 AM

Hi Andrew,

Sorry for the delayed answer.

Yes, I took off the brass-cap and the original sprag and put in the FE422 Z2 at the bottom and the RL 422 on the upside instead.

The RL 422 bearing stabilizes the pinion way better than the brass-collar. The FE bearings need to be supported on both sides in order to funktion well. I think this is part of the problem with the original design.

After studying the specs of the bearings, I was calling up an engineer at GMN (very friendly and helpful people there) and discussing the sprag-issue a couple of weeks ago since they do no longer produce the "S" version of the bearing which I originally wanted to try.

Just make sure not to use too much lubricant or you will have a mess

a little drop from time to time does.

Kind regards
George

malc1 · 09-14-2014, 07:52 AM

Third Spragg bearing failed yesterday and this one has only had a couple of hours of running.

I have got a Noway setup here to try but I would first like to know how the last modification using the slightly better spec Spragg is working out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgJm...mjYRgVfM6FHF-w

Would prefer to use a oneway if possible.

Andrew166 · 09-16-2014, 10:52 AM

oh so far so good man!!!! several gallons so far in it. just get it man.

lol

malc1 · 09-16-2014, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew166

oh so far so good man!!!! several gallons so far in it. just get it man.

lol

I would if I could find a supplier who will sell me the parts.
Can't find them in the UK and have emailed the places mention by Oldgasser with out any reply so far

I would like to try the spragg with the top roller bearing if possible.

Anyone know of any online places that sell GMN bearings who would ship to the UK?

Andrew166 · 09-16-2014, 02:42 PM

Kristine Anders | Motion Industries, Inc | Customer Service Representative
28976 HOPKINS STREET, SUITE H | HAYWARD, CA 94545
Office: 510-266-0200 | Fax: 510-266-0218

call them, they will ship to you. make sure you get the right one tho.

malc1 · 09-16-2014, 03:00 PM

Thanks for the info.
Have they got a website?

Andrew166 · 09-17-2014, 08:24 AM

can't recall, but just call Kristine, she hook you up.

malc1 · 09-19-2014, 02:36 PM

It's not very often I make long International phone calls to the US but have just come off the phone from talking to Kristine regarding the bearings.
Very busy with these by the looks of it.

Emailed her with confirmation of the part numbers and now waiting on her for prices along with the shipping costs to the UK.

Andrew166 · 09-20-2014, 07:01 PM

LEt me know how it all works out man!!!

malc1 · 09-23-2014, 01:39 PM

Hmmmm strange this still no email back from Kristine.

malc1 · 10-01-2014, 11:34 AM

Parts arrived this morning in the end from Germany via a UK supplier.
Need to strip the Whippy down a bit now but it will have to wait until I have come back from holiday.

malc1 · 07-16-2015, 04:19 PM

Finally got to test the FE422 Z2 and RL 422 setup a few days ago.

Hovered up and the clutch was slipping again in less than five minutes use.So a no go!

I can't spend any more time trying to get this to work so even though I have spare clutch bells and even a 'Noway' set up here I am calling it a day.

Whiplash has been stripped down to the airframe tonight and will be hopefully sold along with all the spares I've accumulated.

Andrew166 · 08-23-2015, 11:37 PM

422M not the Z2

07-15-2014, 09:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2011	Need Help Guys!!!!!! Nitro whippy IMG_2280.MOV ok guys, this is the 3rd new sprag installed, and new pinion as well, we tried the metal cage sprag and plastic cage one as well, keeps slipping, we don't think it's the sprag, what can it be? help we need to get this bird in the sky!!! , also clutch is good too, we checked that as well. __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

07-15-2014, 12:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2WjdYfhXBk helpppppppp how to fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

08-06-2014, 10:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	fixed it 422M sprag 100.00 sprag bearing GMN sells them __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

08-07-2014, 01:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
frito169 Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2009	new sprag wow expensive but if it fixes the problem.... How's the new sprag working out?

08-07-2014, 10:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	6 flights so far so good. __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

08-11-2014, 02:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
OldGasser Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2012	Whiplash sprag bearing Hi Guys, Just for information. I am using the FE 422 Z2 (specified up to 13200 rpm and 30 Nm) with a RL 422 instead of the cap, which acts as additional support on the upper side. Fits tightly and nicely and works perfect, way better than the original. Wondering why MA did not use this disign. Bought it from WAELAG, was about 30 Euros for both plus shipping. Kind regrads George

08-12-2014, 01:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	What cap? you removed the brass cap on the sprag? and used those two new parts? __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

08-14-2014, 04:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
OldGasser Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2012	Hi Andrew, Sorry for the delayed answer. Yes, I took off the brass-cap and the original sprag and put in the FE422 Z2 at the bottom and the RL 422 on the upside instead. The RL 422 bearing stabilizes the pinion way better than the brass-collar. The FE bearings need to be supported on both sides in order to funktion well. I think this is part of the problem with the original design. After studying the specs of the bearings, I was calling up an engineer at GMN (very friendly and helpful people there) and discussing the sprag-issue a couple of weeks ago since they do no longer produce the "S" version of the bearing which I originally wanted to try. Just make sure not to use too much lubricant or you will have a mess a little drop from time to time does. Kind regards George

09-14-2014, 07:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
malc1 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2006	Third Spragg bearing failed yesterday and this one has only had a couple of hours of running. I have got a Noway setup here to try but I would first like to know how the last modification using the slightly better spec Spragg is working out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgJm...mjYRgVfM6FHF-w Would prefer to use a oneway if possible. __________________ ---- JR Vibe SGE12 Hiroki Ito Scorpion Tribunus 200A 4525 Ultimate Spirit FBL—-Minicopter Diabolo Pyro750-56 Kosmik200 Vbar v5.3 ----- T Rex 700N DFC OS105HZR Spirit FBL --- RJX Vector 700 Pyro750-56 Comp Kosmik 200 ——

09-16-2014, 10:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	oh so far so good man!!!! several gallons so far in it. just get it man. lol __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

09-16-2014, 02:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	Kristine Anders \| Motion Industries, Inc \| Customer Service Representative 28976 HOPKINS STREET, SUITE H \| HAYWARD, CA 94545 Office: 510-266-0200 \| Fax: 510-266-0218 call them, they will ship to you. make sure you get the right one tho. __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

09-16-2014, 03:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
malc1 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2006	Thanks for the info. Have they got a website? __________________ ---- JR Vibe SGE12 Hiroki Ito Scorpion Tribunus 200A 4525 Ultimate Spirit FBL—-Minicopter Diabolo Pyro750-56 Kosmik200 Vbar v5.3 ----- T Rex 700N DFC OS105HZR Spirit FBL --- RJX Vector 700 Pyro750-56 Comp Kosmik 200 ——

09-17-2014, 08:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	can't recall, but just call Kristine, she hook you up. __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

09-19-2014, 02:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
malc1 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2006	It's not very often I make long International phone calls to the US but have just come off the phone from talking to Kristine regarding the bearings. Very busy with these by the looks of it. Emailed her with confirmation of the part numbers and now waiting on her for prices along with the shipping costs to the UK. __________________ ---- JR Vibe SGE12 Hiroki Ito Scorpion Tribunus 200A 4525 Ultimate Spirit FBL—-Minicopter Diabolo Pyro750-56 Kosmik200 Vbar v5.3 ----- T Rex 700N DFC OS105HZR Spirit FBL --- RJX Vector 700 Pyro750-56 Comp Kosmik 200 ——

09-20-2014, 07:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	LEt me know how it all works out man!!! __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

09-23-2014, 01:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
malc1 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2006	Hmmmm strange this still no email back from Kristine. __________________ ---- JR Vibe SGE12 Hiroki Ito Scorpion Tribunus 200A 4525 Ultimate Spirit FBL—-Minicopter Diabolo Pyro750-56 Kosmik200 Vbar v5.3 ----- T Rex 700N DFC OS105HZR Spirit FBL --- RJX Vector 700 Pyro750-56 Comp Kosmik 200 ——

10-01-2014, 11:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
malc1 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2006	Parts arrived this morning in the end from Germany via a UK supplier. Need to strip the Whippy down a bit now but it will have to wait until I have come back from holiday. __________________ ---- JR Vibe SGE12 Hiroki Ito Scorpion Tribunus 200A 4525 Ultimate Spirit FBL—-Minicopter Diabolo Pyro750-56 Kosmik200 Vbar v5.3 ----- T Rex 700N DFC OS105HZR Spirit FBL --- RJX Vector 700 Pyro750-56 Comp Kosmik 200 ——

07-16-2015, 04:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
malc1 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2006	Finally got to test the FE422 Z2 and RL 422 setup a few days ago. Hovered up and the clutch was slipping again in less than five minutes use.So a no go! I can't spend any more time trying to get this to work so even though I have spare clutch bells and even a 'Noway' set up here I am calling it a day. Whiplash has been stripped down to the airframe tonight and will be hopefully sold along with all the spares I've accumulated. __________________ ---- JR Vibe SGE12 Hiroki Ito Scorpion Tribunus 200A 4525 Ultimate Spirit FBL—-Minicopter Diabolo Pyro750-56 Kosmik200 Vbar v5.3 ----- T Rex 700N DFC OS105HZR Spirit FBL --- RJX Vector 700 Pyro750-56 Comp Kosmik 200 ——

08-23-2015, 11:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
Andrew166 Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Aug 2011	422M not the Z2 __________________ Trex 700 LE Dfc, Trex 700 Dom Top HV, Trex 800 Trekker Trex 800 Dfc Pro, Goblin 700 Comp & 380, Goblin 500 (Yellow) Blade 180Cfx, Blade 130x, 3 of them, modded Spin 8500/8000

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