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Old 12-14-2014, 09:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Do I need to don this? If so, what's good to use?
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Old 12-14-2014, 10:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes sir you do. There are many lubricants that guys use such as TriFlow which is what I use. Others use light machine oils, Automatic transmission fluid, Mobil 1 Synthetic motor oil and so on. Grease is not recommended. It lasts longer but the film strength can cause the OWB to slip during higher loads and not lock up reliably.
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Old 12-14-2014, 10:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Ok. I've got the TTi flow. Thx
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It really depends on the type of bearing you have. Originally, the Rush came with a sprag type bearing--on that bearing you can use synthetic grease. In fact, you could just glob it on.

Later OWB's which were produced went to a roller type clutch bearing. On the roller type bearing, you can use synthetic oil or ATF. I use ATF.

Just wanted to clear this up because I'm certain there are some original OWB's out there. In fact, I have one on my Legend Rush.

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I always say and use ATF as roller clutches and sprags are the back bone of any automatic transmission and the oil is designed for them and the clutch plates . So you cannot go wrong with ATF as that is what it is designed for . The next important step is to occasionally pull it out and relube the clutch assembly if your TBC (time between crashes) extends out long enough . Sometimes crap just happens to often with gravity and the earthly attraction that our helis have and we have lot's of relube opportunity's . Best wishes for 2015 and may your TBC be long and enjoyable
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If we are to lube with ATF do we need to remove the existing oil? If so how?
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Old 12-30-2014, 08:50 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If you would like to completely remove the oil and flush the OWB, use brake cleaner. Use a high-end non-chlorinated alcohol based cleaner, very effective and doesn't melt everything non-metal like most brake cleaners.
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91% or greater Isopropyl alcohol should do the trick.
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Old 12-30-2014, 10:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I just put a couple drops of ATF onto the rollers and intalled the sleeve. I didn't worry about cleaning the existing lube out, as it will mix in with the atf anyway. I've done the same on all my heli's in the past, too.
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I always say and use ATF as roller clutches and sprags are the back bone of any automatic transmission and the oil is designed for them and the clutch plates . So you cannot go wrong with ATF as that is what it is designed for . The next important step is to occasionally pull it out and relube the clutch assembly if your TBC (time between crashes) extends out long enough . Sometimes crap just happens to often with gravity and the earthly attraction that our helis have and we have lot's of relube opportunity's . Best wishes for 2015 and may your TBC be long and enjoyable
And im a tech i should have explained better
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Old 07-28-2016, 09:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Bumping an old thread. Still on the original design OWB on my legacy rush. Regreasing it now. I'm going to strip it down with 99.9% IPA. Is triflow clear synthetic grease suitable?

https://goo.gl/photos/EiQx9saJSqNQY6HM8
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Apparently Evolution will be returning to a sprag with the nitro Rush. I still have a sprag in my Rush v1, I'm not really sold on the idea than a roller clutch is better.
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Apparently Evolution will be returning to a sprag with the nitro Rush. I still have a sprag in my Rush v1, I'm not really sold on the idea than a roller clutch is better.
No. It will be a roller bearing.
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No. It will be a roller bearing.
They need to edit the page then.

http://www.evohelicopters.com/rush-700n/

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Dual ball bearing supported heavy duty one-way hub assembly with sprag style clutch bearing
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Bumping an even older thread. Still running the extremely legacy sprag bearing on my Rush. The model has developed a loud 'squeal', and I'm not yet sure if it's the motor or the OWB. I was changing the motor anyway (I've got ahold of a Dominator 800MX, so might as well upgrade the really old 700MX). I've just sat and cleaned each 'tooth' by hand with 99% IPA and cotton buds. Should I regrease it or put it in dry (ooh err)?
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Lube it for sure. Don’t install dry.

How does the one way sleeve look? Was the sprag dry when you took it out?

Check the motor bearings. Even if you will swap it out it would be nice to know if the motor bearings are the cause. You have had that Heli and motor for many many years.
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Lube it for sure. Donít install dry.

How does the one way sleeve look? Was the sprag dry when you took it out?

Check the motor bearings. Even if you will swap it out it would be nice to know if the motor bearings are the cause. You have had that Heli and motor for many many years.
Hi Michaelinpr, it's been a while! It's so sad to this this once flourishing sub forum so dead. On the flipside, it's great to see people like yourself still checking in!

The sleeve has clear 'polishing' from where the OWB has rotated around it. There was still trace grease on it. Is grease still the lube of choice for this old style of OWB?

I've already started the motor swap, but I haven't changed the connectors on the ESC yet, so a quick job to put it back. You're right, it will definitely be worth ruling out motor bearings, especially as I will be selling or donating the motor.
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Old 10-12-2020, 03:59 AM   #20 (permalink)
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A thread I started recently. Had been so long I preferred to ask what to use. I got the Super Lube.

https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=874637

I donít check in often here, but do periodically check for new posts on all the sub forums that I have participated in. This thread came up on my subscriptions.
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