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Old 12-08-2014, 10:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Not just for safety but privacy as well. Or is it just me?
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Old 12-10-2014, 09:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Some really nice flying (albeit post production sped up in place), but yeah, way too close IMO too. If I were a resident out on my porch enjoying my paper and something out of nowhere came blasting past about 6' from my head, I'd be pissed. Look for "No RC allowed" signs on that beach soon. What a waste of talent.
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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A video that perfectly highlights the issues. A small quad that even hits his buddy without damage or injury. Flying past folk's porches but not hovering outside a window (but he could, or even in an open one...). Flying somewhat over other people...all while having excellent fun and making a great video.

He was toeing the line or perhaps crossing it, but you could do much worse... Where we draw the line and how we enforce it is the question we will all face.


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Old 12-11-2014, 06:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I don't think it's much of a safety issue. When people start being seriously injured or worse from small RC aircraft. One of privacy and annoyance for sure.

How many full sized aircraft, big jets and joyriders in cessnas have crashed into houses and actually killed people on the ground. Happened again just recently. No problem though.

When you look at how many people die in and because of real aircraft or just look at the sporting field for injuries, let alone the road toll or guns etc Calling small multirotors out as the most dangerous and likely to be banned and public enemy no.1 is not supported by statistics.

FYI. In Australia you are not allowed to fly over residential property... ie: your Neighbour's house.
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I don't think it's much of a safety issue. When people start being seriously injured or worse from small RC aircraft. One of privacy and annoyance for sure.

How many full sized aircraft, big jets and joyriders in cessnas have crashed into houses and actually killed people on the ground. Happened again just recently. No problem though.

When you look at how many people die in and because of real aircraft or just look at the sporting field for injuries, let alone the road toll or guns etc Calling small multirotors out as the most dangerous and likely to be banned and public enemy no.1 is not supported by statistics.

FYI. In Australia you are not allowed to fly over residential property... ie: your Neighbour's house.
I agree, it's too small to be much of a safety issue, but as you allude to, it'll be amplified beyond all proportion to the actual risk by the media. It sells, to people who can't spot the irony of grumbling how dangerous these things are as they light their cig up.
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When I mentioned safety at the start of this post, I didn't compare it to real aircraft crash kind of safety concern, I was talking about involuntary risk kind of safety. I've seen in-person lipo catches on fire on a crash. It's not uncommon. What if that happens on someone's front porch when no-one's home. We had a similar occurrence not long ago. Good that it was a gravel covered warehouse rooftop, not someone's front porch with a BBQ and propane tank.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1451087/mo...cial-building/

While the safety risk is low, I agree I feel more of a concern of privacy complaint than safety.
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Sorry. I can get a bit agitated when danger and small multirotors get equated.

I can't see it really. I don't think the evidence backs up the dangerous claim.

I can fully understand why people who lived in those houses might not like it and everybody should be encouraged to fly so we don't fuel the hysteria.

Of course there is a risk of all kinds of things. But compare it to the incidence of of dangerous activities.... kids playing with matches etc

Away from residential and airports leaves almost no risk of injury or annoyance... goggles on or not.
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This is not about kid playing with matches. This is more like someone juggling torches on top of kids in the playground. I don't care if the guy is so good he can juggle torches blind-folded all day long. The key is involuntary risk, especially for the potential bad publicity factor of it. There's a big difference between doing burnouts on the race track and doing burnouts in the school zone. There's a big difference between the video above and this one which I "liked" on Youtube when I first saw it some time ago and I have absolutely no issue with this one.
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That beach video looks like irresponsible "buzzing" of people's homes....

Those guys look like "trouble makers"....they even said in their video that these rich people are "@ssholes"...

Those guys should go to Compton California and fly around the "hood" buzzing people's homes.

Karma strikes when that guy gets his finger slashed...

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I agree things like this will be used against the hobby in the future. I think the "ass holes" comment was more out of jealousy and sarcastic. But hope he knocked on every door of every house and asked permission to fly over each property before he did this.

This drone thing is getting ridiculous. I saw a vid on YouTube where a guy crashes on a beach full of people and a group of kids start playing with the downed quad. Simply irresponsible use of a dji phantom. And even worse is putting it on the internet as fuel for the fire. Sometimes I wonder if there is a bunch of tinfoiled hatted folks out making these vids and doing these stunts to get these things banned. (Where's my tin hat?)

This vid is just some guys having fun for sure. But that DJI on the beach the white house and yellow stone park a airport? All these guys where idiots IMHO. I have to say when I look at the big picture of the worse of humanity and what we do wrong in the world it all stems from a selfish self superiority complex. I bet if there was a interstellar class ranking of society we would all be embarrassed to admit we where human. I know I am lol

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If people would just follow a few pretty simple and reasonable rules as well as have some respect for others there would be little problem.

No getting around stupidity though.
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I've pretty much come to accept that the fun I've enjoyed flying FPV at our club without a lot of BS is going to come to an abrupt end in the near future. It's already starting to get kind of a bad stigma at our club due to a couple of knuckleheads doing stupid crap ruining it for the rest of us. We had one dude lose a plane into an apartment complex near the field. Of course he was flying on 5.8 with no flight controller or RTH with only the receiver in his Fatsharks. Then there are the guys who come out during busy times and want to fly around FPV through the main flight line without a spotter. These kinds of people don't seem to get it no matter how many times you warn them to keep it on the down low. And this is at a field sanctioned for RC flight. I can only imagine how many dumb mother truckers are out there in the wild.
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The golden rule pretty much covers things - "Treat other people the same way you'd like to be treated by other people."
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I've pretty much come to accept that the fun I've enjoyed flying FPV at our club without a lot of BS is going to come to an abrupt end in the near future. It's already starting to get kind of a bad stigma at our club due to a couple of knuckleheads doing stupid crap ruining it for the rest of us. We had one dude lose a plane into an apartment complex near the field. Of course he was flying on 5.8 with no flight controller or RTH with only the receiver in his Fatsharks. Then there are the guys who come out during busy times and want to fly around FPV through the main flight line without a spotter. These kinds of people don't seem to get it no matter how many times you warn them to keep it on the down low. And this is at a field sanctioned for RC flight. I can only imagine how many dumb mother truckers are out there in the wild.
Starting to feel the same way about it all coming to an end. A few more fools and perhaps somebody actually doing something malicious and that's going to be it.

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Of course he was flying on 5.8 with no flight controller or RTH with only the receiver in his Fatsharks.
Was that even English?

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Was that even English?

Huh? Is that some kind of poke at my grammar? Or is it just a little too nerdy?
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Must have been too nerdy... I understood exactly what you said.
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Huh? Is that some kind of poke at my grammar? Or is it just a little too nerdy?
I'm not a FPV guy, so that might as well have been greek to me...

It's just funny how much jargon we all pick up, likely not even realizing it.
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I'm not a FPV guy, so that might as well have been greek to me...

It's just funny how much jargon we all pick up, likely not even realizing it.
I see your point. I'm sure my wife would agree.
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