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Old 06-30-2015, 06:24 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Ah, ok! Thanks!

Another question is following:

If the Heli is upside down and you push the rescue button. Does it first give a little bit neg. pitch, that the Heli doesn't fall down a bit?

Here in this video you can see what I mean:

https://youtu.be/x4E4nzxukbg?t=40s

This option could save your model also while flying a little bit lower...

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Old 06-30-2015, 07:08 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Thomas,

Ready and willing for some Beta test units!

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Old 06-30-2015, 08:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I think he means that if you are in FFF and use the rescue function, will the Heli still be in FF or will it break?

I think this would be useful when you're using the rescue funktion while youre flying into your position...

Sorry, I don't know if this can be realized with the actual hardware...
Actually my question was posted hastily and so it probably didn't read properly but Thomas pretty much understood what I was asking. I am excited about the feature list on this unit. I just don't want a unit that can't be hard mounted on any platform and needs something like the Milton mod to be able to use all of the features reliably. I don't expect this to be the case with the neuron.
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Old 06-30-2015, 11:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Ah, ok! Thanks!

Another question is following:

If the Heli is upside down and you push the rescue button. Does it first give a little bit neg. pitch, that the Heli doesn't fall down a bit?

Here in this video you can see what I mean:

Testing The VBAR NEO - YouTube

This option could save your model also while flying a little bit lower...

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One of our test pilot really enjoy frightening me enabling rescue mode inverted about 20cm above the ground.

Yes rescue applies pitch corresponding to the current position of the heli. Moreover, it will always prefer to act on aileron than elevator, it means if you are inverted it will always do a half aileron flip to get back (it's faster and more secure).

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Old 06-30-2015, 11:21 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Actually my question was posted hastily and so it probably didn't read properly but Thomas pretty much understood what I was asking. I am excited about the feature list on this unit. I just don't want a unit that can't be hard mounted on any platform and needs something like the Milton mod to be able to use all of the features reliably. I don't expect this to be the case with the neuron.
All of our test units are mounted with provided 3M Very High Bond double sided.
But accelerometers are accelerometers, if you have too much vibrations they will fail ... the limit though is a lot higher than on my previous projects.

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Old 06-30-2015, 12:29 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Will there be a vibration analysis log feature? Or any type of flight or telemetry log?

Also what does EZnov stand for?

Neuron Test chassis Warthox (6 min 24 sec)


Neuron EZnov Rescue - Goblin 500 "KoRn" - Test 2 (2 min 30 sec)


This looks awesome.
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Old 07-01-2015, 12:43 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Hello,

The big unit will have (well, already have, we are using it everyday ) full log capability in separate memory and analysis in the terminal itself.

We do not currently support telemetry. There is no standard in telemetry protocols, and to support them all it would take months and months of develoment, dedicated hardware, and dedicated software to configure everything, and this comes at a cost (financial cost and in terms of ease of use).

Jeti temetry though seems to be quite mature now and could maybe allow complete setup of the unit over the air, but this is not in the roadmap yet (have to get in touch with Jeti at some point).

EZnov stand for "easy innovation". Our motto is "smartly simple", this means we put the effort during development to make our products as simple to use as possible for the end user.

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Old 07-01-2015, 12:53 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I am really excited to convert my 250 to FBL using an EZnov Neuron! Is there a website where I can pre-order one?
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Old 07-01-2015, 01:07 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Hello,

We have a T250 here with a Neuron ... the unit fits flat between the frames, it's really neat.

About the pre-order, we don't want to do pre-orders because this is our first product (well, you know what I mean ) and if something go wrong and delays delivery it would be catastrophic.

What I can tell you is we have units in stock, tested and flashed (we produced them, I'll make a video about it), and we now have to iron out the last details (boxing, shipping, invoicing, make sure we get paid, etc.).

I'd say it is a matter of a few days now.

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Old 07-01-2015, 02:14 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Looks promising. I will pick one up as I finish my 550 DFC build.
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Old 07-01-2015, 03:31 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Any screen shots of what the programming software looks like?
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:33 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Thomas,
Ready for your newest product, been anxiously waiting.
Will you be selling direct ,or will we have to deal with large distributor?
Ready to order soon as you give the go ahead.
Been wanting to try something new
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Old 07-02-2015, 12:55 AM   #33 (permalink)
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What is the advantage for a vertical plugging in the servo cables?

I like horizontal like the most FBL units have...
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Old 07-02-2015, 02:49 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Do you have any plans for Jeti integration?
+1

I'm sure it will do udi, but jeti programming would get me to try it, otherwise I'll stick with spirit as I like how it flys and tx setup is awesome.

It's a good way to compete with the v-control/vbars
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Old 07-02-2015, 03:48 AM   #35 (permalink)
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What is the advantage for a vertical plugging in the servo cables?

I like horizontal like the most FBL units have...
It is one of the tradeoffs we had to make to offer a good priced fbl unit.
All Neurons are manufactured in France here in our offices, servo connectors are through hole components, so they have to be soldered manually by an operator, this is pricey.

To have the servo connectors horizontal, you have to solder the connectors on a second PCB, then solder the second PCB to the main PCB. This is what we do on the bigger unit, but it is more expensive.


About JETI, I'd like to discuss the matter with them, but I'm quite busy these days
JETI is not very common here in France (I've never seen one ...).

@crickr1: we will both sell it directly, and through distributors (we are still looking for more distributors).

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Old 07-02-2015, 04:09 AM   #36 (permalink)
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What about universal integration with transmitters? I'm referring to the ability to assign any parameter to a particular channel so that it can be tuned on the fly. Basically just like the tail P gain is adjusted in the Brain, but the ability to select a different parameter.

It is my understanding this is possible on the Bavarian Demon units.
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Old 07-02-2015, 08:15 AM   #37 (permalink)
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To have the servo connectors horizontal, you have to solder the connectors on a second PCB, then solder the second PCB to the main PCB. This is what we do on the bigger unit, but it is more expensive.
Not sure I agree... you could have easily used a right angle header like this:



If you want to keep costs low, you could easily barter for service... send me 1,000 units and the right angle headers and I will be more than happy to professionally solder them in exchange for a free EZnov Neuron or "big brother"!
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Old 07-02-2015, 08:37 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Hello,

You are half right, we could have used right angle headers ... BUT:

1 - they take HUGE space, like one third of the current Neuron size.
2 - right angle headers (e.g 6x3) are 2.54mm (0.1") by 2.54mm ... we use 6 time 1x3 0.1" headers, spaced at ... 3mm (not 2.54mm).

Why ? Because servo connectors use 3 pins spaced at 0.1" ... but the width of the housing is more than 0.1" (often >2.7mm) !!!! That's silly I know ...

So we have to solder 6 separate connectors (1x3) on each board, that's quite different from only one 6x3 connector.

For these 2 reasons, all units (that I opened) with horizontal headers use a secondary PCB.

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Interesting... units like the Tarot ZYX indeed use a second PCB...


...but Receivers, like the OrageRX use the 0.1" right angle headers:



The picture in post 37 is of right-angle headers with 40x3 pins. They are break away but will take a bit of effort to break where you need it to break. The pins are spaced at 0.1" and there are 3 rows of 40 pins.
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Old 07-02-2015, 10:19 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Hello,

Yes as you can see most fbl units with horz pins use a secondary PCB (VBar, BRAIN, iKon, tarot, etc.).

And as you can see on the OrangeRx receiver with 0.1" spacing, the connecotrs push against each others. 4 connectors is almost ok (but ugly), 8 connectors is almost impossible to plug (outer connectors are pushed so much they bend at 30).

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