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Old 07-15-2015, 12:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Level 7 is just evil full stop. I can just about do a piro loop on the sim, and piro figure 8's, but INVERTED piro loops, and 4 point skids in tic-tocks!!

Level 7 needs somebody with pretty serious skills!!
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Old 07-15-2015, 04:01 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Very cool stuff! I signed up and plan on tracking my progress. Thanks to everyone that put effort into this.
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Old 07-15-2015, 04:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I just wanted to chime in to say thanks to everyone involved for the time and effort that was put into the RCHN PPP. It is absolutely awesome. It provides a structure for learning and progression that you can work on at your own pace.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:36 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Most of them are hard enough to stay, but the piro 8s (upright and inverted) could be moved earlier to Advanced Sport or Basic 3D.
Intermediate 3D probably, but definitely not basic. I'd lump any circuit or pattern while continuously pirouetting, rolling, or flipping manuever in there - no lower than level 6. Once you're talking circuits or patterns while continuously piro-flipping, that's definite level 7.

People start practicing those maneuvers very early because that's what they see the demo/comp pilots doing and they want to learn it. But it's next-level stuff, far more advanced than most pilots are really ready for when they start trying to learn them. I know, I did it too.

There's nothing wrong with learning it early. If that's what motivates you then go for it, absolutely. But you won't be able to control it well enough to do clean, consistent circuits and patterns with it until you're at or near level 6. That's just my opinion of course -- I'm sure there are exceptions out there.
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:52 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Intermediate 3D probably, but definitely not basic. I'd lump any circuit or pattern while continuously pirouetting, rolling, or flipping manuever in there - no lower than level 6. Once you're talking circuits or patterns while continuously piro-flipping, that's definite level 7
Gotta disagree. Slow hovering pirouettes are a great early training move to help you learn your orientations, and it's a very short hop from there to drifting it in a straight line while piro'ing.

I was doing rough piro circles within 6 months of starting CP flight, but there were still a bunch of PPP level 2 and 3 moves I couldn't fly, and I was nowhere near level 4 or 5. And if you do start piro practice that early on it really helps with a ton of other stuff. Backwards flight, sideways flight, funnels, hurricanes. They all build on orientations and piro travel really helps those become instinctive. And if you haven't done any piro practice early on, learning the piro flip moves later is an enormous step.

This is 6 months in on a mCPX BL, and my main practice was controlling hovers, and flying controlled circuits or figure-8's around the factory:
Piro obstacle practice (3 min 37 sec)
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:20 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I think piro speed is the difference. I have no problem going fairly slow, but if I try and get them up to 1 piro per sec, I struggle with a few points in the variations.
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:18 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I think piro speed is the difference.
Yes! Now the disconnect makes sense.

When I describe a "continuously pirouetting" maneuver, I don't mean a piro per 10 seconds -- I mean more like one piro per second. Watching most competition set maneuvers that's what they're doing, give or take, unless the maneuver specifically calls for a particular rate (i.e. 90 degrees rotation per each 90 degrees around a circle.) The idea is that the model is rotating fast enough that you can't think about your corrections - it has to be automatic and fluid in any orientation.

I completely agree. Slow piros, such as those shown in the MCPX video above, are awesome orientation practice and I highly encourage it at all skill levels! In order to learn to reverse my piro circles I started by doing them super slow, then gradually increasing the rate.
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Old 08-14-2015, 03:11 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I finished the travelling double piroflips this morning after slogging at it for 2 weeks. It's a long move, just about 3 minutes and a real test. Interestingly the other one I really struggled with was Piro 8s, and I thought it would be one of the easier ones. So many weak points in there and I kept putting in the wrong inputs at the same places. Eventually went back to basics and slow piros.

Some of them are very rough, so my intention is to go back and redo quite a few. It was more an exercise in learning and I thought I'd record them along the way.
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Old 08-15-2015, 12:25 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:50 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Moderators: Can this thread be added to the RCHN sticky section? Took awhile to find it, brain fart on the thread name and little digging to find it... I'm bumping to the top of the RCHN forum.

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Old 02-14-2017, 05:04 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I agree with KC8CYF, this one is sticky material.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:19 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 07-23-2017, 01:32 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Just bumping the thread back to the top...
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Old 07-25-2017, 01:25 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Hey

Helis are on the rise at my local club in the UK. We had 2 heli pilots but we are up to about 6 now. Some young lads and some older guys. We have been having a good laugh together at the field and its getting fun.

I introduced the PPP to the other guys with a view of us all working together on it.

The heli rep has now adopted it as a training standard for any new guys coming into the club!

Thankyou RCHN

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Old 08-10-2017, 11:13 AM   #35 (permalink)
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That is great to hear Craig. It is a great tool but I personally need a partener to feel motivated with the PPP. I had a guy that started it with me but we only met up twice and the idea just dwindled.
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Old 04-22-2020, 08:22 AM   #36 (permalink)
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To kind of celebrate that the RCHN Apple Podcast feed is back to download past episodes, and given the fact I think I was crushed on WHSC, I was thinking of a way to do some structured practice. I will start to document my progress through this and see how far I get. Will be doing it on the sim due to still crappy weather and COVID. Plus this will be a pretty good learning experience for me and I fear I will crash a lot once I hit some maneuver I can't get and need to learn
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Old 04-22-2020, 03:45 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I have been slowly chipping away at the program as well. Great learning tool.
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:31 PM   #38 (permalink)
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RCNH PPP L1 Beginner Maneuvers 1 and 2 (1 min 29 sec)


RCNH PPP L1 Beginner Maneuver 3 (1 min 45 sec)


RCNH PPP L1 Beginner Maneuver 4 (1 min 9 sec)


RCNH PPP L1 Beginner Maneuver 5 (1 min 13 sec)


RCNH PPP L1 Beginner Maneuver 6 (1 min 44 sec)


RCNH PPP L1 Beginner Maneuver 7 (3 min 9 sec)


RCNH PPP L1 Beginner Maneuver 8 (1 min 57 sec)
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RCNH PPP L2 Basic Sport Maneuver 1 (2 min 22 sec)


RCNH PPP L2 Basic Sport Maneuver 2 (2 min 18 sec)


RCNH PPP L2 Basic Sport Maneuver 3 (5 min 2 sec)


RCNH PPP L2 Basic Sport Maneuver 4 (2 min 0 sec)


RCNH PPP L2 Basic Sport Maneuver 5 (2 min 9 sec)


RCNH PPP L2 Basic Sport Maneuver 6 (1 min 5 sec)


RCNH PPP L2 Basic Sport Maneuver 7 (1 min 3 sec)
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Old 04-23-2020, 12:36 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Glad to see some are still doing this.

I having been working through actual program but have been using it as a list to practice some basic stuff. Just to get back to where I was a couple years back.
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