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Old 09-08-2015, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Can the AR636 receiver be used in other helis?

Can the AR636 receiver be used in other helis? Specifically, can it be used to drive a tail servo? Seems like I've seen this talked about in other threads but can't remember where I read it, if so can anyone point me to that discussion?

Really like the way that my 230s flies, it would be great to move a $100 receiver/controller over to something bigger.
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If your referring to the receiver in 230s, then NO. It's actually a AR636A receiver. A proprietary receiver to the model it was installed in only.
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's not the least bit programmable, so you'd have to work with the receiver as-is, understanding that it's set up for the 230 S.

That doesn't mean it can't be done. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to experiment with it. For example, the SAFE receiver from the Apprentice S airplane is being installed in lots of other planes and works great. You have to test it thoroughly and maybe reverse some servos for it, depending on the plane.

For a CP heli, issue number one is to have the exact same arrangement of servos around the swash as the 230 S - same position and spacing. I'm not sure what else you might run into.

Next month Horizon (Spektrum) is releasing their new version of the AR7210BX, which will incorporate the "AttitudeControl" features BeastX has now. AttitudeControl is very similar to SAFE, and of course it will be called SAFE on the AR7210BX. It's going to be a downloadable option, whatever that means. BeastX charges extra for AttitudeControl, so it sounds like Spektrum will handle it the same way.

So you're probably better off waiting for that to hit the street instead of putting this specialized AR636 into something bigger. The AR7210BX would be fully programmable and probably more reliable on a bigger heli.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a new Blade 450 model in the next few months with SAFE and based on the AR7210BX. That's what the new 270 CFX is based on, and it will have SAFE.
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Old 09-08-2015, 06:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Brian of HH has stated that the SAFE will be included in the USA versions of the AR7210BX.
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Old 09-09-2015, 05:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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will the safe set up -receiver in the 200srx work in the 230s? Thank you.
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Well, think of it.

The 200SRX is only a FP heli.
So the RX firmware is programmed by HH for 2 servos + motor tail.

The 200SRX receiver is not mixing the 3 cyclic servos including pitch.
So the fixed pre-programmed firmware for FP can NOT be used with 3 cyclics / pitch.


There are so many FBL systems which do support 120 cyclics + tail servos / pitch tails.

Why do you guys even think about using this HH BNF fixed receiver firmware stuff in other helis?
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Well, think of it.

The 200SRX is only a FP heli.
So the RX firmware is programmed by HH for 2 servos + motor tail.

The 200SRX receiver is not mixing the 3 cyclic servos including pitch.
So the fixed pre-programmed firmware for FP can NOT be used with 3 cyclics / pitch.


There are so many FBL systems which do support 120 cyclics + tail servos / pitch tails.

Why do you guys even think about using this HH BNF fixed receiver firmware stuff in other helis?
O OK thank you, apart from my align t-rex 100, QX350 the srx 200 are the only helis I have owned or flown, I cant do 3D and I like the first 2 modes on the srx 200. Just thought I could have those modes on the 230s when I get one, thank you.
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Hi,

The 230s receiver has some stability / angle leveling modes as well as rescue.
HH calls it SAFE.

You may want to take a look in the PDF manual manual or call your dealer about 230s flight modes or check 230s threads.

HH already adjusted their receiver firmware for 3 cyclic servos / pitch as you were looking for (SAFE).

The SAFE (some) flight modes you are looking for can also be found in the newer FBL systems with normal tail pitch on 450++ helis:
MSH brain (self level)
Spirit system FBL (level, rescue+pitch)
Beastx Plus/Pro (rescue)
Skookum 720 (level, GPS, etc.)
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Some personal opinions about the 230s (moved to general thread): https://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...&postcount=358


And now guys buy your Blade 230s :-)

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Old 09-28-2015, 09:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I think you could probably get it to work ok if you had similar servo layouts but the big question would be the tail servo as the 230s tail is electric.

I think a better bet would be either an Ikon or Neuron. Either can be had for a bit less than $150 if you shop around and then you can pick up a decent satellite for $10 and be on your way.
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Old 09-29-2015, 09:50 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Brian of HH has stated that the SAFE will be included in the USA versions of the AR7210BX.
I know Brian said SAFE will be on the AR7210BX included with the 270CFX,
https://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...67&postcount=7
but I have not heard about it being included on US models. Do you have a link to this, because the Spektrum site says "Optional SAFE« software sold separately" here:
https://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/...ID=SPMAR7210BX

$100 for a AR636 FBL is a bargain compared to the AR7210BX at $320 ($220 plus $100 for SAFE)
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Old 09-30-2015, 04:46 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree with yakky.

Spirit System FBL (or the newer Pro), EZNov Neuron, MSH Brain & other FBLs are the best route to go if you use pitch heli tails.


How come you do not hear much about Open Source FBLs with rescue/safe/leveling support?


I do not read much about Rondo / micro Rondo??!?
ÁRondo seems to be ~14g. So Neuron is more lightweight (~7g).

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Old 09-30-2015, 06:09 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I know Brian said SAFE will be on the AR7210BX included with the 270CFX,
https://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...67&postcount=7
but I have not heard about it being included on US models. Do you have a link to this, because the Spektrum site says "Optional SAFE« software sold separately" here:
https://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/...ID=SPMAR7210BX

$100 for a AR636 FBL is a bargain compared to the AR7210BX at $320 ($220 plus $100 for SAFE)
https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=707610
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Brian of HH has stated that the SAFE will be included in the USA versions of the AR7210BX.
The panic button/bailout feature will be standard. The self-level/stability function will be an extra option. Rumor is it will be $100 because that's what BeastX charges for AttitudeControl.
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I know Brian said SAFE will be on the AR7210BX included with the 270CFX,
https://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...67&postcount=7
but I have not heard about it being included on US models. Do you have a link to this, because the Spektrum site says "Optional SAFE« software sold separately" here:
https://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/...ID=SPMAR7210BX

$100 for a AR636 FBL is a bargain compared to the AR7210BX at $320 ($220 plus $100 for SAFE)
To clarify, the AR7210BX when sold as an open stock receiver/FBL controller will not include the SAFE functionality (i.e. self level and bailout). When it is included with the Blade 270 CFX, it WILL include bailout.

The open stock AR7210BX can be upgraded to the optional SAFE software if the user wishes.
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To clarify, the AR7210BX when sold as an open stock receiver/FBL controller will not include the SAFE functionality (i.e. self level and bailout). When it is included with the Blade 270 CFX, it WILL include bailout.

The open stock AR7210BX can be upgraded to the optional SAFE software if the user wishes.
Hi Brian,

So on the 270cfx, if I'm understanding you correctly, it comes with "bailout" and self level is an option for USA models.

If I've got that right, for those of us that have one pre-ordered, can you describe the process for us to purchase the optional self-level software?
Thanks, looking forward to the release date!
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My understanding is the 270 will come with self level / bailout ..the stand alone RX will not ..I would like to know this fact myself . He says " When it is included with the Blade 270 CFX, it WILL include bailout." ..I take that as it will also be with self level . I am just wondering if it will be the same as with their other RX's such as the 636a , 636h , and 636 .
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I would like to know the answer to that myself. It sounds like the version with the 270CFX will include bailout but NOT self-level, so the question becomes, can you add the full SAFE package to the 270CFX receiver like you can with the open stock receiver?
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I sent Brian a PM hoping he will find time to answer. If I do get a response, I'll share on this thread.
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To clarify, the AR7210BX when sold as an open stock receiver/FBL controller will not include the SAFE functionality (i.e. self level and bailout). When it is included with the Blade 270 CFX, it WILL include bailout.

The open stock AR7210BX can be upgraded to the optional SAFE software if the user wishes.
SAFE software is BOTH self level and bailout.

SAFE software WILL be included on the 270CFX.

SAFE software is an UPGRADE on open stock AR7210BX FBL Receivers.
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According to the 270CFX manual, it will not have self-level, only bailout. There is no description of self-level, and there are no settings on the transmitter to send a flight mode selection to the receiver. The Gear channel is used for the bailout/panic.

That's consistent with what Brian said. If you didn't notice, Brian is a Blade employee.

Thus the question about adding full SAFE (with self-level) to an AR7210BX that's included with a BNF model.
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