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Old 06-23-2020, 08:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 230s V1 (night) tail hold anomaly

Howdy chaps
Having a bit of a brain fart on this one....
Got my old 230s Night out, was a bit dusty but was all flying nicely all the many previous times I've flown it
The Night blades looked a bit like they were delaminating, I didn't want to fly it on them so put a standard V1 set on...
Now when I lift in Norm and buzz around the tail holds ok, but as soon as I hit IU, the tail lets go and it'll swing round counterclockwise nose-in and any further collective inputs renders the little shit unflyable as the tail's doing it's own thing, until I flick back to Norm and can regain control
I'm NOT a newb, and I've checked all the obvious things...could it be the gyro is calibribrated is specifically for the night blades with the added weight of the batteries at the root?
Any wise words appreciated
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Hey Kev! Good to see your still around.
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I was only thinking about you yesterday bud, lol
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could it be the gyro is calibribrated is specifically for the night blades with the added weight of the batteries at the root?
Don't think so. Mine was bought as a Blade Night 230S. I mounted stock blades from 230S V1, no issues. I made some more modifications, still no issues.
You might check the throttle curves, and the tail gyro gains in FBL. Are they all at factory default values?
Of course the stock blades will produce less torque, and tail has less work with. But it should be in tolerance, if all is at factory default settings.
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Tail blade cracked and can't produce enough force to counter the stunt mode headspeeds?

It should fly the same with the night blades or regular ones(mine does).
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nothin' wrong with the tail blade bud

I just put the 'Night' blades back on with the batteries fitted in situ and the tail's locked....go figure

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nothin' wrong with the tail blade bud

I just put the 'Night' blades back on with the batteries fitted in situ and the tail's locked....go figure

Kev
Kev, I wonder if the replacement blades were out of balance enough to cause a vibration the the FBL controller didn't like at the higher RPM's?
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I'd check:
1. if tail rotor is mounted correct side out
2. Cables back to esc
3. Tail motor temperature after flight

My flies with night or regular blades perfectly fine.
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So does mine. Even with scale fuselage.
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Howdo again chaps - quick update, it seems it was the main motor causing this anomaly - I had a pal's V2 here for fixing so I swapped out his main motor when my 'Night' was only lasting for 30 seconds on fresh good batteries - now it's all good!
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Glad to hear you have it sorted out, Kev.
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Cheers old boy

On a slight tangent - this V2 that I repaired for a dude is an rtf, and came with a DXe Tx (I think it is) - would you happen to know how things like pitch adjustment are done Craig?

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Cheers old boy

On a slight tangent - this V2 that I repaired for a dude is an rtf, and came with a DXe Tx (I think it is) - would you happen to know how things like pitch adjustment are done Craig?

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I don't have any knowledge about the Tx that comes with the RTF 230S. I have a DX9. I can only assume that the RTF Tx has the needed parameters for the heli preset and there is no adjust ability as far as pitch curves, throttle curves, etc. I would think the only thing you would be able to do with that TX, as far as adjustments go, is put the heli in servo adjustment mode and set zero pitch. That's just an educated guess though.
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Cheers Craig - I'm sure it's factory configured - just feels weird to me that it won't hover until 3/4 stick, I like birds to lift a snadge after mid lol
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I can only assume that the RTF Tx has the needed parameters for the heli preset and there is no adjust ability as far as pitch curves, throttle curves, etc.
No. DX6e can be configured, pitch curve, throttle curve, DR, Expo, and more. You need the USB cable (same as for the AR636) and the PC Software. (Spektrum Programmer). There is allso a different cable for a mobile phone, and the App. You could allso change an existing File on a DX6 or higher and transfer it via PC Software to the DXe TX.
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Well there you go. I stand corrected. Learn something new every day as I have never had RTF Tx. I would assume, once again, if your buying a RTF TX that your not looking to pay the extra coin for computerized TX or a programming cable and all that it may entail. May be wrong again though. Apparently not the first time. LOL!
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You are right. I got my first Blade 230S Night RTF with DXe. Build a UH-1B out of that bird, and it went fine.
When i started to deal with multiblade rotors, Fenestron and NOTAR tail builds with Blade 230S, i realized the DXe would not be comfortable to make changes in setups. I went for the DX6e than, and it served me well.
If You need to make only few setup corrections, it might be worth to get that cable. Will be usefull for firmware update on AR636 aswell. If You need setup corrections more often, a better TX would serve You better.
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