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Old 09-24-2021, 12:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Isn't it time for a 1K?

What are your opinions on a manufacturer offering a 1000mm heli? Is it too much? Would you buy one? Isn't it time they blow our doors off and offer one?
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What are your opinions on a manufacturer offering a 1000mm heli?
too small for me.

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That is bonkers!

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I doubt MFG's will find enough interesting to make it cost effective to produce and keep one sustainable in the present market.
Look at the present market and pricing for main stream kits.
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It's been done before. HD helicopters had one that was bigger than 1K and 3D capable. Price is one issue and they get rather sluggish and slow too.
It looks impressive but going bigger than 700 doesn't make it better anymore. There is a good reason most 3D helis are in the 700 class.

I had a Diabolo 800 and I have a Kingtech 800 now and they both fly very well. They are more tame than a 700 though.

Going to 1k and still being 3D capable I bet 14S is the absolute minimum and probably allready at its limit. 16S and more is noit allowed in many countries. Turbine is an option and being used in Heli sizes bigger 1K but that's only for scale ships.
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The demand just isn't there. Velos made a 900 and it did not sell well enough.

You can go 1k for scale helis, all the bits are available from Vario.
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I think that was just a publicity stunt. Basically just a straight 2:1 scale up of a HD750 airframe. I dont think it was ever actually fully built or flown. Things like servos and probably the motor would all have to be specials.
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Things like servos and probably the motor would all have to be specials.
why so special ? the big turbine powered helis with 1500mm rotor blades do only use standard 40mm servos, not even 12V monster servos.

https://en.ocservo.com/?page_id=1541..._type=products

the 1M$ question is: will 1000mm blades handle nearly 2000 RPM without breaking out ?
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This crops up from time to time....

Bigger is not better in this case. A 700 has the optimal size/stability/grace/presence....

Even 700's can take pretty extreme power plants. Goblin 770 was 14s-16s from the guys I knew that flew them for "3D" and they just found them "too slow".

You are looking at approaching or exceeding $1k just for the motor and ESC for a 700 depending on your esc and motor preference (Kontronic... cough... price of used car... cough...).

The cost for a 1000mm bladed heli (2 meter+ disc size) is just likely out of 99% of most heli pilots pocket book.

Also there are material limitations. As blades get longer and wider they get more flexible and it's harder or impractical to get them to perform like a smaller blade.

I almost got a Velos 880 but the setup just did not work with my large stick packs and available motors....
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I almost got a Velos 880 but the setup just did not work with my large stick packs and available motors....

I was very tempted by the Velos as well. At the time the biggest heli I had was a 700. In 2018 I got a Shape S8, and I think it's really the biggest heli that is practical for me at the moment (and it's great, but I find I am flying the lighter 700s way more)
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"the 1M$ question is: will 1000mm blades handle nearly 2000 RPM without breaking out ?"

I have a few 1000mm machines.
I would not ever try to spool them up to 2k.
That is a risk I can easily not take. (Crazy I am, but far from stupid.)
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A 900 or 1000 would be more logical as a gasoline heli. It's already not going to ever be ideal for 3D so you may as well just lean into that and make it an IC powered sport machine.
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A 900 or 1000 would be more logical as a gasoline heli. It's already not going to ever be ideal for 3D so you may as well just lean into that and make it an IC powered sport machine.
Nahhh ...
Never like dealin' with the mess and cleanup of a fuel heli.

Besides electrics work just dandy for me.
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Nahhh ...
Never like dealin' with the mess and cleanup of a fuel heli.
with low head speed you can achieve similar flight times and performance as old smelly gassers.

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"the 1M$ question is: will 1000mm blades handle nearly 2000 RPM without breaking out ?"

I have a few 1000mm machines.
I would not ever try to spool them up to 2k.
That is a risk I can easily not take. (Crazy I am, but far from stupid.)
This question is asked and the first thing everybody mentions is how it won't be much good for 3D There IS life out there outside the 3d/smack world!!

Think it would be cool to have something like that for big air/sport stuff, and definitely scale-type flying. It is just not something one would want to go out and thrash IMO. The rebuild costs would have to be crazy, and to do it again and again,TRYING to do 3D
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Once you go over 700-800 you might as well just go real. 2800mm blades or more.
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This question is asked and the first thing everybody mentions is how it won't be much good for 3D There IS life out there outside the 3d/smack world!!
No Way there is ?
who would have ever thought !

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Nahhh ...
Never like dealin' with the mess and cleanup of a fuel heli.

Besides electrics work just dandy for me.

I'm talking about gassers not glow.
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